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« on: March 30, 2015, 03:57:11 AM »

Link to the results.

http://www.myautoevents.com/pls/mae/frmEventDetail.ShowResults?psevent_id=15365
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2015, 04:46:51 AM »

Thanks, James. Is it possible to get the raw data? I like wasting time playing with spreadsheets too much and the PDF is not very easy to extract the data from. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2015, 04:55:44 AM »

My fastest time is there, so its not too big of a deal, but only 4 of my runs were captured.

I'd enjoy playing with raw results as well if they get posted.
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2015, 05:30:09 AM »

Thanks for the great event! It was great to finally get out and knock the rust off. You HS guys were flying yesterday as well!
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2015, 05:51:05 AM »

I'm in the wrong class and its all my fault.  I should be B Street, not C Street.  I' m not sure why I decided to change my class this year. Sorry for the confusion.  I was wondering how I got 6th. 
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2015, 06:30:32 AM »

Thanks Stu, we will get that fixed.

Anyone else should also post corrections here.

I will also look into getting the raw data file, hopefully, for the next event at least.

Stephen, keep coming out to our events. We also plan on hitting up some DC events that do not conflict. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2015, 06:42:25 AM »

James,
     I was looking at our/my STX class and it seems the best time posted there was from a Mitsubishi EVO that is classed as a STX, I believe those cars should be classed as STU?  That would put me in the number 2 spot behind Travis ..... I got some work to do there! Thoughts?

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2015, 06:48:33 AM »

James,
     I was looking at our/my STX class and it seems the best time posted there was from a Mitsubishi EVO that is classed as a STX, I believe those cars should be classed as STU?  That would put me in the number 2 spot behind Travis ..... I got some work to do there! Thoughts?

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Yes that EVO will be classed in SM. Thanks for pointing that out.

With you level of prep, you should compare yourself to the CS cars. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2015, 08:46:28 AM »

can someone help me understand the results (or point me to a README file)?

My times are posted below:
51.532 45.679 45.150 44.816 43.861

But my total is:
35.439
+0.303

I am not sure what the total is totaling nor what the +.303 is referring too. Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2015, 08:57:36 AM »

Ben,
Your fastest clean run was 43.861 and your Miata is in class ES. Each class has a PAX, or factor, that is used to equalize the cars. So you can almost say, that if everyone had the same car, what would everyone's time be in that car?

The PAX for ES is 0.808.

43.861 x 0.838 = 35.439.

Edit:
the +.303 is the time between you and the person who finished just in front of you.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2015, 09:02:05 AM »


The short answer is, your raw times are actual seconds for each run.

The final number is your PAX time, which is your fastest raw time multiplied by a
scaling factor based on your class.  This allows (in theory) Corvettes and Civics to
have their results compared in the same table.  The +0.303 is the time difference
between you and the next faster competitor, and/or the first place competitor.

That said, I don't understand why your PAX time is listed with your raw times in the
first table.  A quick glance at other entries shows most folks have their best raw time
in the last column, but all the Novice entries seem to have their PAX time there instead.
That might be a bug.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2015, 09:30:39 AM »


For your clicking convenience, results are now also accessible from the
Season Schedule on our home page.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2015, 09:43:58 AM »

Oh right gotcha. Thanks bunches, I forgot about the pax.
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2015, 12:42:05 PM »

Are the results only posted in a PDF or I am missing an excel or similar version?

I only ask bc I'd like to manipulate the data to see how many where in each class and so on. Someone may have already asked for this, it looked like there were class buttons at the top, but they don't work due to the formatting.

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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2015, 12:51:07 PM »

Here is a spreadsheet I made based on the PDF above.
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2015, 01:45:16 PM »

I'm in the wrong class and its all my fault.  I should be B Street, not C Street.  I' m not sure why I decided to change my class this year. Sorry for the confusion.  I was wondering how I got 6th. 

I feel better already. Still very nice driving yesterday!

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2015, 01:51:24 PM »

I'm in the wrong class and its all my fault.  I should be B Street, not C Street.  I' m not sure why I decided to change my class this year. Sorry for the confusion.  I was wondering how I got 6th. 

I feel better already. Still very nice driving yesterday!

David

Likewise!  Hopefully I can trim some time off and I'll at least give you a run for your money before you take that 2nd place street trophy away from me. 

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2015, 02:20:54 PM »

James,
     I was looking at our/my STX class and it seems the best time posted there was from a Mitsubishi EVO that is classed as a STX, I believe those cars should be classed as STU?  That would put me in the number 2 spot behind Travis ..... I got some work to do there! Thoughts?

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MikeDe



Yes that EVO will be classed in SM. Thanks for pointing that out.

With you level of prep, you should compare yourself to the CS cars. Smiley

James, why are you moving that Evo to SM instead of STU? I teched that car and told him STU.

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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2015, 02:23:54 PM »


The short answer is, your raw times are actual seconds for each run.

The final number is your PAX time, which is your fastest raw time multiplied by a
scaling factor based on your class.  This allows (in theory) Corvettes and Civics to
have their results compared in the same table.  The +0.303 is the time difference
between you and the next faster competitor, and/or the first place competitor.

That said, I don't understand why your PAX time is listed with your raw times in the
first table.  A quick glance at other entries shows most folks have their best raw time
in the last column, but all the Novice entries seem to have their PAX time there instead.
That might be a bug.


It is not a bug. Novice is a paxed class since cars of any class can run in Novice. All other classes are based on raw times since only cars of the same class are grouped together.

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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2015, 03:00:54 PM »

James,
     I was looking at our/my STX class and it seems the best time posted there was from a Mitsubishi EVO that is classed as a STX, I believe those cars should be classed as STU?  That would put me in the number 2 spot behind Travis ..... I got some work to do there! Thoughts?

Best regards,
MikeDe



Yes that EVO will be classed in SM. Thanks for pointing that out.

With you level of prep, you should compare yourself to the CS cars. Smiley

James, why are you moving that Evo to SM instead of STU? I teched that car and told him STU.

David

If this is the same car.....it is beyond STU.

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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2015, 03:43:24 PM »

Dang....I should have been able to take him in my FRS....

Mindy I am gonna need alot more education....and a winning lottery ticket.

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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2015, 04:16:41 PM »

It is not a bug. Novice is a paxed class since cars of any class can run in Novice. All other classes are based on raw times since only cars of the same class are grouped together.

David

If it's not a bug, then it is still a confusing way to display the results IMHO.
The rest of entries in that table are raw times, so you'd expect all of them to be raw.
I would expect to see PAX times only in the PAX table.

Not that we have much control over those tables, as I recall.
I think they are output by the timing software that way.

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2015, 04:21:41 PM »

Results have been this way since I started racing.
not sure if novice gets a multiplier, I'd have to look at the file.

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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2015, 05:22:32 PM »

It's not weird or a bug, it's just the way it is. When you run Novice Class (or any other indexed class), you're running and competing on index, so indexed times will be displayed versus raw times.  I think the only indexed class like that in VMSC is Novice, but in other regions and levels there are other indexed classes such as  pro/pax classes, tire classes, Ladies (L1/L2/L3), Race tire, etc
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2015, 05:58:42 AM »

I need to find my Bobby Smith "Limited Edition" Anti-Pax tee shirt, and wear it to an autocross or two this year. Just to get the debate raging again........I miss that.
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