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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2008, 11:08:13 PM »

the VW rims center bore is 1 mm bigger than that of a Mini. putting it around 57mm.  I had to modify the set of MINI Holey rims to make them fit.  I do have two sets of rims. 1 set of Steeles and 1 set of old BMW bottle caps in 14" that go with the car.  Oh and they do fit that Escort as well =P
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2008, 06:19:44 AM »

I'd love to be on the team, too!  All I can offer is a set of my MINI's old wheels, some money, and lots of time wrenching. 
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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2008, 05:19:53 PM »

Got the 2009 schedule for Lemons today. Looks like there are two races at Carolina Motorsports Park.

Here's what's been locked down so far:

Feb 28-March 1: MSR Houston, Angleton TX
Apr 4-5: Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw SC
June 6-7: No Problem Raceway, Belle Rose LA
July 11-12: Stafford Motor Speedway, Stafford Springs CT
Sept 12-13: Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw SC
Oct 24-25: MSR Houston, Angleton TX
Nov 21-22: Thunderhill Raceway Park, Willows CA

Time to look at your calendars and see if you can do one or both of these dates. I'd like to try to get in on the April event if possible.

Time to zero in on a car!!! Wink
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2008, 06:46:57 AM »

April should work for me.  September is too far away to know for sure.  Are you going to be at the club meeting this Thursday?  We could have a mini-meeting of people who are interested before/after the regular meeting is done.

A couple key notes off the top of my head:

1) Where are we keeping the car?
2) Things we need that club members seem to have: seat, belts, wheels, labor, misc pit equipment
3) Things we need to buy: car, cage, tires, some people will need to buy safety gear
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2008, 09:40:11 AM »

April should work for me.  September is too far away to know for sure.  Are you going to be at the club meeting this Thursday?  We could have a mini-meeting of people who are interested before/after the regular meeting is done.

A couple key notes off the top of my head:

1) Where are we keeping the car?
2) Things we need that club members seem to have: seat, belts, wheels, labor, misc pit equipment
3) Things we need to buy: car, cage, tires, some people will need to buy safety gear

We can keep the car at my house if necessary. I'm hoping since Ben has a welder and other necessities at his place, we can keep it there.

I'm hoping we can get some loaner drivers suits. They look to be WAYYYY expensive. That will be my biggest purchase if I have to buy one.
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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2008, 10:39:47 AM »

April would probably work for me. I know a place I can ask about loaner driver's suits. I will need to have an idea of how many and size before I make the ask. Just after Christmas would be a good time for me to ask.

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« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2008, 05:27:47 PM »

hmm here is another racing junk special... even comes with a racing suit and helmet

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1324220/1991-Toyota-Celica-Hornet.html
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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2008, 07:38:54 AM »

I emailed the gentleman about the Celica. Looks like a good deal, but it is an old ad.

Looks like people interested in being on the team so far are:

Scott Hoffman
Justin Loehlein
David Ogburn
Scott Wagner
Ben Lawes

Possibly:

Daniel Gohlke
Adrian Amos
Bill Lloyd
Tony Fleming

Depending on how many actually can make it we may want two cars. What I'd like to do, if everyone thinks it is reasonable, is have everyone split the cost of the car and entry, and pay their $100 entry. This will probably be around $300 based in a 5 person team. we may want to get a meeting together to plan the car purchase and prep and get the application together to see if we are accepted to compete. This will need to happen soon. We can then work together to get all the parts, wheels, tires as we decide what is needed.

BTW - If we do 2 cars, drivers can run in both cars if needed, so we could probably do two teams with as few as 6-8 people.
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« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2008, 09:54:33 AM »

Depending on how many actually can make it we may want two cars. What I'd like to do, if everyone thinks it is reasonable, is have everyone split the cost of the car and entry, and pay their $100 entry. This will probably be around $300 based in a 5 person team.

I am assuming that in your $300/person quote you are adding $100 padding in, however if you read the LeMons website, the entry fee is "$500 per car + $100 per driver + $75 for non-drivers".  Unless they are including the cost of the car in the entry fee, which I highly doubt...this actually becomes $300/person just for a $500 car plus the entry fee (assuming 5 people).  Tires, safety equipment, etc will be added on top.  I would actually estimate this to cost $400-$500 per person.  The more people we get, the more we can spread around the cost of the car and the fixed part of the entry fee.

That Celica looks good...anything with a cage already in it will be great since they cost a bunch of money new.  Scott, are you coming to the membership meeting on Thursday?  We could have a mini-meeting with whoever shows up that is interested before/after the club meeting.
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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2008, 10:05:58 AM »

I plan on coming Thursday. I'll try to get Ben and Scott to come as well. Yes the $300 does not include tires, wheels, and modifications. Just the initial cost of entry.
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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2008, 12:12:57 PM »

I will be there as well. You may want to go ahead and try and collect like $500 per person so the funds are there to pull the trigger on a deal if one arises instead of chasing people around for the money. There is a group in NC on NSXPrime that is doing the same thing and they collected $500/person.

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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2008, 12:36:01 PM »

That sounds reasonable. That way everyone puts enough funds aside to take care of anything that is needed. I have mine put away already.
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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2008, 05:31:07 PM »

I'm game for this, and not just a possibly.

I can do $500 soon and will try to make it to the meeting.
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« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2008, 07:09:26 PM »

I'll try to make the meeting Thursday, too, and I'll bring some information on what it has cost to put the Miata together.

I'd suggest we start hunting for a cage-builder NOW.  This is the time of year to get one built, and the good ones tend to be very busy.

Oh, and I'm definitely more of a "Probably" than a "Possibly".
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« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2008, 08:08:17 PM »

Great. We'll come up with a plan so everyone can play. Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2008, 08:40:54 PM »

From a quick look at the rules, buying a car with a cage could be a disadvantage as you can't spend more than $500 total for the car and anything you add to it EXCEPT safety equipment. See Rule 4. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/rules/. I guess you could apportion part of the purchase price to safety equipment, but you are risking BSF points and lost laps. See Rule 4.4.

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« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2008, 05:18:19 AM »

Here are a few links to cars I found on Craigslist.  Hondas are tempting, but I hear that they have a hard time finishing the races without blowing up, so I would put them at the bottom of the list.  I still really like that Celica, hopefully we hear back from him.  Second to that, I think Tony's VW makes the most sense.

Monte Carlo circle track car: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/906730199.html
94 Civic: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/908243946.html
92 Volvo 240: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/913977454.html
Postal Jeep (had to put this on here): http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/915368166.html
88 Caddy Sedan DeVille: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/924981375.html
94 Sentra: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/922712508.html
77 Lincoln Continental: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/921799665.html
84 Mercedes 190E, stick!: http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/917529689.html
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« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2008, 07:18:07 AM »

Here are a few links to cars I found on Craigslist.  Hondas are tempting, but I hear that they have a hard time finishing the races without blowing up, so I would put them at the bottom of the list.  I still really like that Celica, hopefully we hear back from him.  Second to that, I think Tony's VW makes the most sense.

Monte Carlo circle track car: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/906730199.html
94 Civic: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/908243946.html
92 Volvo 240: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/913977454.html
Postal Jeep (had to put this on here): http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/915368166.html
88 Caddy Sedan DeVille: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/924981375.html
94 Sentra: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/922712508.html
77 Lincoln Continental: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/921799665.html
84 Mercedes 190E, stick!: http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/917529689.html

I saw that Sentra as a good one. They are bulletproof and quite quick, even in base form. I bet we could get it almost free. Anyone want to inquire about that?

Justin - which ones are you most comfortable working on? The Nissan should be pretty easy.
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« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2008, 08:05:18 AM »

The Monte Carlo looks like a badass option, as does the Sentra.
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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2008, 02:58:54 PM »

Celica was sold.  Undecided
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« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2008, 04:30:02 PM »

Holy!  What about this: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/922129823.html
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« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2008, 05:11:25 PM »


If we could get it for $400 and have money to get it fixed up.

Justin - wanna build a Firebird?
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« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2008, 06:14:31 PM »

I can work on just about anything...but I have never had to rebuild a carburetor before.  As much as that Benz would be pretty sweet, it is probably the hardest car to work on.  That goes for any European car.  The Sentra, Tony's Jetta, the Monte Carlo and the Firebird should all be pretty straightforward.

As far as the Firebird, I get a little leery about cars for sale with "new" engines.  I don't like finding/troubleshooting other people's install errors, but we've got time and it is cheap.  I lean towards 4 cylinder cars since they are more simple (less to go wrong) and should get 3-4x the gas mileage, but my bias is not very strong.  I'll be at the meeting tomorrow so we can discuss further at that time.
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« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2008, 07:56:33 PM »

I called the dude, the formula was sold this AM Sad
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« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2008, 08:03:11 PM »

what are the odds of talking this guy down $200 and selling $500 out of this car?

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/925976334.html
1989 Honda CRX - $1200 (Richmond)
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