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26  Events / Road Rally / Re: Tip-Toe Through the Tulips 2009 on: May 15, 2009, 06:58:40 AM

Of course you must stay on course, but to win you must also maintain the correct speed at all times.  At various checkpoints along the way, your time is noted and the time you took for the leg is computed.  The rallymasters will have already calculated the "perfect" time from the measured distance and the specified speeds, and so you score one point for each 1/100 of a minute you are early or late.  (This is why it is called Time/Speed/Distance or TSD rallying.)

Lowest total score for the event wins.  A score of 25-30 on a leg is good in stock class running "seat of the pants", with calculation it can be under 15.  The serious equipped teams with their onboard computers and such expect to score zero points on about half the legs and under 5 on the rest!
27  Events / Road Rally / Re: Tip-Toe Through the Tulips 2009 on: May 07, 2009, 04:37:07 AM
Hey, everybody is  noob the first tiime they try something.  The T5 is a "tour" rally by SCCA definitions, which means it is nothing at all like the FIA Rallys you see on TV where crazies throw their cars around on a closed course.

The T5 is a very straightforward tour thru the countryside, at speeds a little below the posted limits.  Course following is deliberatly simple, the main thing is maintaining the correct speed (which is harder than you might think).  Your Civic will be fine, but please note that you will need a navigator to keep the driver advised of upcoming turns and correct speeds.  (My nagrivator has to keep my heavy foot in line all the time!)

Check this out: for a good intro to TSD (Time/Speed/Distance) rallying.
28  General / Open Forum / Re: Forget about walls --- Europe Autocross on: April 23, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
How about all those cars and people standing just outside a gate?
I wonder how (or if) they manage to get any kind of insurance !!
29  General / Autos and Autosport / Re: wanting to get started on: April 16, 2009, 05:54:09 AM
Welcome to another car nut.  For sure, come on out to RIR Sunday even if you don't plan to run.  There will be several RX8 owners out there who will be happy to give you pointers.  I recommend running -- however ratty your interior is, you can still have fun tossing the car around and learning how it feels and responds at the limits of adhesion (and beyond!).
30  General / Autos and Autosport / Re: RE-01R: Great Streetable Autocross Tires on Closeout!!! on: February 24, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
Sigh. Nothing in my size.   Sad
31  Pictures and Media / Pictures and Media from Events / Re: Pictures from the 2008 Banquet and the DC car show on: February 10, 2009, 09:12:55 AM

I know it seems strange ... but this one:
is Pasha receiving the FORD award.

That will teach me not to let him borrow my car for autocrossing!
32  General / Classifieds / Re: Aluminum Car Trailer for Sale on: December 24, 2008, 08:58:52 AM
Just curious ... who needs a trailer that only carries aluminum cars?

Merry Xmas!
33  Results / Autocross / Re: August 10 on: August 20, 2008, 01:45:37 PM

I was all set to tell you to go to MyAutosports and open the dropdown list under Clubs/Organizations and select Virginia Morotsports Club.  But then I did that and found only future events are displayed.  If you add those future events to your personal calendar on MyAutosports, those entries are not date-supressed and you will be able to see the "Event Results" tag when they are posted.

Ain't them Komputenmaschinen just wunderbar?   Huh?

34  Events / Road Rally / Re: Event: Awful August Affair 30Aug on: August 15, 2008, 08:13:22 AM
Thanks David.  The posting times were close enough we could have been typing on top of each other.
35  Events / Road Rally / Event: Awful August Affair 30Aug on: August 13, 2008, 12:41:07 PM
This event is being put on by our partner club in rallying: ODR-SCCA.

The start and end are at Fazoli's Italian Restaurant in Virginia Beach.

Full details are available on their site at:,com_jcalpro/Itemid,30/extmode,view/extid,32/

36  General / Open Forum / Re: Do you have to be a member to race? on: July 28, 2008, 01:55:39 PM
Absolutely not! (we will shamelessly take anybody's money)  Grin

Check here to see the schedule (as information becomes available the entries get filled in).  There are 4 more events scheduled this year, and all but the last are planned as tour events.  You can pre-register if you like, but you can also just show up at registration and sign up.

The fee is $30 per car, $25 for members of either VMSC or the ODR chapter of SCCA. We are currently running a joint program so the events count for points in both clubs! Since we are in the process of reviving the rallye program, we run mostly SCCA "tour" type rallyes, which means that course following is straightforward enough for even first-timers to be able to enjoy the events.

One point I must make: a rallye is not a race.  It is an excersize in following a predetermined course at a given speed.  There are checkpoints along the way, and you score penalty points for every 0.01 of a minute you are "off" the predicted time, either early or late.  The prescribed speeds are required by our competitionn regulations to be at of preferably below the posted speed.
Check out:

The general instructions for a rally are usually posted on this forum one or two weeks before the event.  The instructions lay out the general rules by which the instructions are to be interpreted, and also give the starting time and location of the event.  So watch this space, and come on out for the event on the last Saturday of August and join the fun.
37  Events / Road Rally / BREAKING NEWS ... on: July 25, 2008, 03:27:42 PM
As of 2:00pm today: the General Instructions may be found at:,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,57/Itemid,29/
Roll Eyes
38  Results / Autocross / Re: Results? on: July 24, 2008, 08:47:21 AM
For the NET-ly challenged, "Check MyAutoevents" means here:
39  Events / Road Rally / Re: VMSC Rally? on: July 24, 2008, 08:41:47 AM
The generals are not online anywhere I could find, but for any and all who would like to run, here's how to find it:

  • Event: Surry Happiness, the NO OLF Rally
  • Date: Satruday 26 July 2008
  • Start and end at: Colonial Farmhouse Ltd. 612 Colonial Trail E. Surry Va 23883
  • Registration begins at 08:00, drivers meeting at 08:30,
  • CZ gets instructions at 09:45, CZ starts at 09:00
  • CZ finishes at apporoximately 13:15
  • Rallymaster: Greg Warden <>

I hope to see some more VMSC troops there.

40  Results / Autocross / Re: Results? on: July 18, 2008, 03:02:42 PM
The results are posted in MYAUTOEVENTS ...

For anyone else who is not clear on what that means, for this event just click on:

Anyone who has never been involved in scoring an event has no idea how labor-intensive it is.  "But it's all in the computer" you say?  Even when that is mostly true, the manually kept cards must be verified and reconciled with the computer scores.  For this event, we have the added joy of garbled and missing information in the computer.  And as Scott notes, the usual cloud of classing issues.  And so it goes.

The wheels of Justice (and of scoring) grind slowly, but do grind exceeding fine.
My admiring appreciation goes out to all who volunteer for the task.

PS:  Now for the oblligatory nit-picking:  only the first section header in the report has the correct event name "SPIN_DIZZY", the others have "NASCAR_TURNS".  But the dates are right in all the headers, and the times match, so trust us already and ignore the page headers.  Precision typping is knot amung our manny talllentts.   Grin
41  General / Technical Help / Re: May be looking at a Ghia. Problem areas? (Looking for you Pasha) on: July 14, 2008, 10:41:27 AM
Hey Egz ...

1) Rocker panels.  They are fully boxed beams that double as heater ducts in addition to being the main structural member of the chassis/floorpan.  This means they can get condensation inside and rust extensively before anything shows on the surface.

2) Around the plugs in front of the rear wheels that give access to the torsion-bar adjustment nut.

3) Wheelwell linings.  Not so much the fenders themselves, but the flimsy sheetmetal lining the wells.

4) Around the battery on the left of the engine bay.  It can get hot enough in there to boil the battery and cause acid to be vented, which strips the paint and can lead to rust.  I would take the battery out and check underneath.

Finally, if you are going to farm out the restoration work, be sure to work with your restorer on the front end to set limits on what you are prepared to spend.  In particular, be sure how much it will cost before agreeing to a body-off restoration, because that will be a huge number of man-hours for which you will get equally huge bills.

Good luck!
42  Results / RoadRally / and a Jolly Jaunt it was, indeed! on: June 30, 2008, 07:58:29 AM

Kudos to Jeff & Audie for a brisk, brief, fun drive through some really lovely countryside.  Good roads, relatively high speeds, easy-to-follow course (with a couple of visibiility "gotchas" ... we only bit one of them).

All that and a finish that made it easy to get to the Silver Crown race at RIR.  They had some other kind of funny-looking cars that ran too, but they had more yellow laps than green for the first half of their race, and fewer than half of the starting field was running at the end.  Buncha rookies.  The Silver Crown boys really showed them how it should be done.   Grin

As the Governator might say:  "We'll be back" when you guys do another!

43  Events / Autocross / Re: permanent number confusion on: June 04, 2008, 12:53:02 PM
Thanks to Keath for figuring this one out for me (and all of us):

My e-mail address changed since I signed up for the permanent-number pseudo-event back in February, so I dutifully put my new e-mail address into my profile.  But then the e-mail address the system associates with my permanent number no longer mached the one in my profile.

I can't edit my permanent-number entry, so I set my profile back to its old value and could register just fine with my number.  Of course I won't get my any confirmation mail, but at least I can register!  Flip-flopping my profile is clumsy, but it works.

44  Events / Autocross / Re: Autocross-June 15th on: June 03, 2008, 03:11:30 PM
Grrrr ... permanent number registration still doesn't work.    Sad
 (or at least mine still doesn't #44)
Is this a global problem or does the system just not like me?
45  General / Open Forum / Re: 25 Best Drivers of all time on: May 27, 2008, 12:57:51 PM
Any such poll is sure to overlook really great drivers from the past who are no longer darlings of the media.

How about people like Bernd Rosemeyer and Tazio Nuvolari, who wrestled Herr Doktor Porsche's monstrous mid-engine Auto Union car around in the F! of the 1930's?  That thing was rumoured to be able to spin its skinny little tires in fourth gear while travelling at 150+ mph.  It handled so evilly that no one else would (or could) even drive it.

The drivers of today are coddled in fire suits and crash-resistant structures running on tracks with sand pits and energy-absorbing walls.  These guys raced on the old Nordschleife at the Nurburgring, a lovely 17.65-mile snakepit of stone walls and tree trunks inches off the edge of the pavement.  Their world was so very different from the one in which we live and compete that it is essentially impossible to fairly compare drivers from different eras.
46  General / Technical Help / Re: In case anyone is wondering what that horrible noise was from my car on: May 27, 2008, 12:38:43 PM

BTW: I tried the fog light hack, and it works just fine.  Thanks.
47  Events / Autocross / Re: HELP ME LEARN ABOUT AUTOCROSS on: May 27, 2008, 12:28:02 PM
You have taken a good first step by finding our forum.  While we would love to have you join us, you don't need to become a member to run in our events.  Our event schedule is here:
and you can show up at the start of any event, part with the entry fee, and join the fun.

We are running our autocross events this year at the Richmond Raceway Complex on Laburnum Avenue, and at the Virginia Motorsports Park in Dinwiddie.  Our next event is at RRC on Sun Jul 13th, so come on out and join the fun.  Come early so you can chat with the folks setting up their cars and setting up the track.  Your WRX should need nothing more than air in the tires (and a precautionary check of your oil, etc.) to be ready to go.

Hope to see you there!
48  General / Autos and Autosport / Re: Autocrossing a convertible - question on: May 22, 2008, 07:44:25 AM
Duuhh -- how about rollover protection?  Do the comp regs require it for open-top cars?
49  Events / Autocross / Re: Registration Next Event on: May 22, 2008, 07:41:15 AM
Thanks Genie, You're the best!   Grin
50  Events / Autocross / Re: Registration Next Event on: May 22, 2008, 07:16:34 AM
I tried registering for 25May on MyAutoEvents, but was unable to do so with my permanent number.  The registration form showed my profile information OK, and I am listed in the permanent numbers pseudo-event (as #44), but the registration did not pre-enter my number and the dropdown did not allow me to enter it. So I have registered as #49, but I intend to run my permanent number.

One clue how come it didn't work:  my profile info came up with "VMSC member: NO".  I have corrected this, but I still can't register.  Sigh.   Embarrassed
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