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51  Events / Road Rally / Wayne and Wendy would have loved it ... on: October 30, 2006, 08:23:24 AM
The Old Dominion Rally happened Saturday and Sunday, October 28 and 29, 2006.  Eleven cars ran ODR-1 on Saturday and thirteen cars ran ODR-2 on Sunday.  The Sunday entries included two VMSC cars, one in Novice Class and one in Stock.

Weather on Saturday started in heavy rain but the skies became mottled by mid-morning and were beautiful and sunny by lunch.  The rally was 200 miles long and included 20 checkpoints.  There were 6 Equipped cars, 4 Limited, and one Rookie (Novice). The winning score was 22 by Jack von Kaenel and Jim Friedman who were running Equipped. Jeannie English and Dave Kolb won in the Limited class with a score of 45.  The VMSC crew of Stephanie Mann and Joe Eggert was the novice entry. They made ALL the controls and received a trophy for their efforts.  There were no stock entries on Saturday.

Sunday began as a beautiful day and continued that way for the whole event.  The 13 entries included 6 Equipped, 4 Limited, 2 Stock, and one Rookie.  Von Kaenel and Friedman repeated their winning ways and received 14 points on Sunday.  First Limited were Larry and Steve Gaddy with a score of 42.  First Stock was the VMSC crew of Nick Fisher and Gary Aheimer with a total score of 2872.  There were 18 controls on day 2.

Course Marshals for both days were wonderful.  VMSC crews working on Sunday included Bruce Edwards, Jeff and Audie Chenery, Keath and Donna Marx, Charlie Passut, and Chuck and Betsy Edwards

Course Marshals for Saturday from VMSC included Bruce Edwards, Michael Barnes, Gordon Paterson, Pasha Paterson, and Charlie Passut.  Charlie Passut was Chairman of both rallies in addition to working the course.

SCCA workers were Greg Smith, Jeff and Audie Chenery, Keath and Donna Marx, Betsy and Chuck Edwards, Charlie Passut, and Rick Folsom.

Rick Folsom was Chief of Scoring and scored both rallies while the Sweep Car went from control to control.  By the time the sweep arrived at the end each day the rally was scored.  SCCA rules require that the scores be posted for 30 minutes so that anyone who has issues can raise them.

There was one Claim (protest) on Saturday and the Claims Committee met on the spot.  The Claim was rejected and the trophies were awarded within 1.5 hours after the end of the event.  On day 2 the first car arrived at the restaurant at 3:30 PM, the scores were posted at 4:30 PM and trophies were awarded at 5 PM.  Rick did a fantastic job.

As you can see there are many workers needed to make a rally work.  We're talking about pneumatic cord timing devices and we're talking about transponders.  But the workers are the ones who make an event possible and they are the ones who make it good or not so good.  In the case of the two days just passed the workers were calm, clear, competent, and dedicated and I extend my heartfelt thanks to all of them.  You're merely the best.

Chuck Edwards
52  Events / Road Rally / Great Race Workers Needed on: October 13, 2006, 01:11:19 PM
Pego Mack at SCCA is looking for control workers for an event in the Chattanooga, TN area in NC for the days Nov 9 afternoon thru Nov 12 early afternoon. They need to have some RoadRally experience, enough to get them from one control to the next. They would be timing cars and calling in results, then moving on to the next control.  Because SCCA has a working partnership with Great Race we are trying to help them find control workers.

Great Race is putting on an event and they are looking for personnel.  They are paying a per diem and providing hotel rooms plus the banquet at the end.

If you know anyone who might be interested in doing this please have them call John Classen at 818 768 6217 (and let me know too).

Sounds like fun.
53  Events / Road Rally / Tulips and Icons and stuff, OH MY!! on: September 25, 2006, 12:59:12 PM
There would be tulips as well as verbal instructions. There are many more tulips available and I have an excel sheet that has about 50 that I can send to anyone who wants one.  I don't have anyplace to "post" it.  I don't know yet where to get the column B icons.

The GR style rally is very clear and easy to follow - there's no attempt to lose anyone. The events are won by timing only and you can see that it'll be a challenge.
54  Events / Road Rally / Tulips and Icons and stuff, OH MY!! on: September 25, 2006, 07:09:25 AM
Attached is an example of a Great Race event.  See what you think.


[Edited on 25-9-2006 by ceecpa]

[Edited on 25-9-2006 by ceecpa]
55  Events / Autocross / Like I said before....sounds like on: August 31, 2006, 05:50:35 PM
Because NASA is a profit-seeking organization I would be skeptical of anything they say.
56  Events / Road Rally / Surry on: August 31, 2006, 05:44:08 PM
GPat is correct in that the course was designed to reinforce the RRRs so that VMSC competitors could potentially do well in the Old Dominion Rallies.

GPat was not correct in his understanding of the Generals vis-a-vis the RRRs, but, like in most other areas, the SCCA approach prevails and we all need to be aware of what they say.

VMSC is participant/sponsor of the Old Dominion Rallies this year.  The Old Dominion Rallies have been a part of VMSC lore since approximately 1952.  For arithmetically challenged folks that's 54 years.

I understand that young folks have no interest in the activities of the previous generation.  However, road rally is the only motorsport activity that requires no special equipment.  In addition you can take significant others, children, or your mother in law along.

GPat is a difficult customer to satisfy.  He wants things correct.  And I agree with him.  Do you agree about both rally and autocross?:
57  General / Classifieds / ITB Honda on: August 22, 2006, 05:22:57 AM
I received this note from Nancy Eubel, the widow of former ODR member Frank
Eubel.  If interested you can contact her at <>.

My name is Nancy Eubel, and I am a tech inspector (SF region) for SCCA.  You may have known or heard of my husband, Frank Eubel, who passed away at the end of 2004.  He was a former Comp Board chairman.  All that just to introduce myself... (We've been living in Virginia Beach since 1996.)

I am here in Back Bay, just south of Pungo, to close on the sale of our house (I've been in California since April), and then move back to California.  There is a white Honda Civic, I believe manufactured in the middle of 1986, that was an ITB car.  It has been, literally, untouched since we moved here 10 years ago.  I want to sell the car and a lot of miscellaneous car parts asap, as the house sale has just been moved up to September 5.  The asking price is $2000 for everything.

 Frank also had a ton of old car mags - Road & Track, Car & Driver, Sports Car, and a whole slew of others.  If anyone wants to buy them, there are $1 each or $10 or a whole year.
58  Events / Autocross / USAA Insurance on: August 02, 2006, 05:16:06 AM
This came from the rally list that I subscribe to but it seems that it will apply to auto-x events as well:

Yep, and these military-oriented insurance companies seem to be, and always have been, at the forefront of chemically induced schizophrenia.  I doubt it is going to spread to many other insurance companies - there's going to be an exodus of customers that use their cars for all kinds of "competitions" that will end up at the remaining companies that don't go along with this nonsense.

Dave Head

At 12:54 AM 8/2/2006 -0400, you wrote:

This can only be explained by mental retardation brought on my heavy
chemical usage at the highest levels of the company.


B Benson wrote:

> Take a look at this. Input is from a track drivers education event
> source. Impact in the SCCA world is only in the areas of road rally (in
> all forms), Solo I, Solo II, and all pre-race-school parking lot and
> track events. Near as I can tell anyway. Peter and Mike (and I and some
> of y'all) teach at such DE events, much less AX
> /Bob
> -------- Original Message --------
> Mike Roznovsky <e30m3@highstream. net> wrote -
> Just a heads-up on this. I heard from GGC instructor Peter Vinsel that
> USAA has changed the language in their policy declarations as follows:
> --
> N. Driving contest or challenge includes, but
> is not limited to:
> 1. A competition against other people,
> vehicles, or time; or
> 2. An activity that challenges the speed or
> handling characteristics of a vehicle, or
> improves or demonstrates driving skills,
> provided the activity occurs on a track
> or course that is closed from
> nonparticipants. '
> This text is on page one a document titled: "AMENDMENT OF POLICY PROVISION"
> subtitled: "CALIFORNIA".
> The document has the "A100CA(03) Rev. 5-06" in the footer.
> --
> Language for other states may be similar. Note that this would appear
> to preclude participation in something as benign as a teen driving
> clinic such as BMW Foundation's Street Survival Program. Autocross is
> clearly excluded by provision N.1.
> Furthermore, the USAA staffer that Peter spoke to told him repeatedly
> that if he continued to instruct at such events that USAA would refuse
> to renew his policy.
59  Events / Road Rally / Oxity Banks Rally on: April 30, 2006, 06:35:33 PM
The Oxity Bank Note Rally is going to be something very unusual.  To learn more go to and we'll see you at the casino in Washington.
60  Events / Road Rally / T5 on: April 30, 2006, 06:32:40 PM
Pasha and Gordon Paterson put on a fine Tour Rally.  Twelve cars competed on the course and saw beautiful scenery, well-run controls, and interesting roads.  I compliment them on a fine event .

The workers put in a great deal of effort and our thanks go out to them.

To those members who don't rally I say that you're missing the beauty that motosports can offer and - on a practical level - not earniing any VMSC points.

Life provides us only so many opportunities to experience something wonderful, new, or well conceived.  Don't let the rally experience pass you by.

Thank you, Pasha and Gordon.

Chuck Edwards
61  Events / Road Rally / Loss in the Rally World on: April 19, 2006, 06:10:08 AM
Mr Shekhar Mehta passed away in a London hospital on 12th April 2006 after a short illness. He was taken ill on the island of Corsica, where he was attending to his duties as the Rally Commissioner for the FIA on the 'Tour De Corse' round of the World Rally Championship. He was just 60 years old.

Born in 1945 - a Ugandan of Indian extraction - Shekhar entered his first competitive event in 1966. He went on to win the East African Safari Rally a total of 5 times - four of them in 'Datsun'-branded cars. First of these ( in 1973 ) in a Works Datsun 240Z co-driven by Lofty Drews - the second Safari win for the 240Z.

Shekhar rallied all over the world, in famous events such as the RAC Rally in the UK, The Monte Carlo Rallye, The Southern Cross Rally in Australia, The TAP Rallye in Portugal, The Acropolis Rally etc etc - as well as many national and club events in the UK.
62  Events / Road Rally / Oxity Banks Rally on: March 28, 2006, 04:04:44 PM
The rally seems to be shaping up as quite a wild affair.  It seems you have to place bets as to how well you'll do.  In addition, there will apparently be casino gambling in DC or at least "up the road".

Glorioski!  Flyers will be out soon but this doesn't seem like an event for the graybeards (including me).  Seems like ya need some rally knowledge, a fast car and the ability to drive it, a willing navigator (hang on), and the desire to win a cash prize.

I guess you could pay for some autocross tires this way.Cheesy
63  General / Technical Help / Honda Civic Interference Engine on: March 24, 2006, 11:42:47 AM
The timing belt broke on a Honda Civic and the engine is making unhappy clanking noises.  I'm sure it'll need some valves and maybe a piston or two.  Is it possible that the cylinder head and cylinder block are OK?

Chuck Edwards
64  Events / Road Rally / Oxity Banks Rally on: March 23, 2006, 06:23:01 PM
Tell 'em you heard it here first.  The Oxity Banks rally will run from Portsmouth to DC on June 24.  It's to be in the style of the Cannonball Baker Memorial Trophy Dash, and it's going to be sanctioned by our very own Old Dominion Region of SCCA.

Set the date aside, and stay tuned.  You'll need to be back in time for the A & J Texas Holdem rally, 'cause that one's a VMSC points event.

See you at the first control,
Chuck Edwards
65  General / Autos and Autosport / Japanese Italian Job on: March 16, 2006, 11:58:57 AM
I'm sure you saw either the original movie or the remake.  Now here's a Japanese version.  Be sure your sound is turned on and then click the link:

66  General / Autos and Autosport / K&N Air Filter Data on: March 16, 2006, 10:53:43 AM
Got this on the SCCA Rally Forum:

Chuck Edwards
67  General / Autos and Autosport / Exhaustive legislation in Massachusetts on: March 16, 2006, 08:18:14 AM
Hemmings Motor News electronic version reports the following:

Bay State considers ban on aftermarket exhaust
A bill (H.B. 2011) to ban the sale or installation of “an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust” is on the verge of being sent to the floor of the Massachusetts State House of Representatives for a vote by all representatives.
The law, however, would exclude “antique motor cars” defined as those vehicles over 25 years old which are used exclusively for exhibitions, club activities, parades, etc.
According to the Specialty Equipment Market Association, the law does not supply law enforcement with a clear standard to enforce, allowing them to make subjective judgments on whether or not a modified exhaust system is in violation. Moreover, SEMA contends that the sweeping law would also ban aftermarket exhaust systems designed to make vehicles run more efficiently without increasing emissions. For a list of Massachusetts state legislators to contact about the proposed law, go to SEMA’s Web site at
- By Mike McNessor
68  General / Autos and Autosport / Project Kimber. Smart Roadster yields MG Midget? on: March 02, 2006, 08:30:11 AM
Hemmings Motor News electronic edition had the following article today (3/2/06):

Sports Cars
Smart Roadster: Not dead yet

DaimlerChrysler unveiled its final, collector’s edition of the Smart Roadster at the Geneva Motor Show.

Even as DaimlerChrysler bids farewell to the Smart Roadster with the unveiling of a final, limited-run collector’s edition at the Geneva Motor Show, talks are under way that could result in the continued production of the car under a new nameplate.
DaimlerChrysler has agreed in principle to sell the rights and production equipment for the two-seat Roadster and Roadster Coupe to a British consortium called Project Kimber. The consortium is one of several parties that expressed interest in taking over production when Smart announced that it would pull the plug on the Roadster. Project Kimber had earlier made an unsuccessful bid to take over MG Rover, losing out to Nanjing of China. Although Project Kimber reportedly would love to see the Roadster reborn as the MG Midget, Nanjing is considered unlikely to sell the rights to the MG name.
Smart has never turned a profit, although DaimlerChrysler boss Dieter Zetsche told analysts in a conference call earlier this month that the brand is narrowing its operating losses and may break even next year. Still, Zetsche has asked financier Goldman Sachs to begin screening potential buyers for the brand. The death of the Roadster leaves Smart with two models, the ForTwo and the ForFour.
If Project Kimber succeeds in producing the Smart Roadster under another name, can we hope to see the car in the U.S.? There’s no word yet, but let’s hope there won’t be a continuation of the endless waffling by DaimlerChrysler that has kept all Smarts out of the U.S. to date. The special edition Roadster is just the latest car we can look at but not buy; with its 101hp engine, brown leather interior and silver-and-matte-brown color scheme.
- By David LaChance
69  Events / Road Rally / Tulip Rally on: February 23, 2006, 07:27:24 AM
Pasha & Gordon's Tip Toe Thru The Tulips rally is scheduled for April 30.  What's a tulip, you ask?

Here's a good answer:,0,0,1,0,0

[Edited on 23-2-2006 by ceecpa]
70  Events / Road Rally / Rally Results on: February 20, 2006, 03:02:35 PM
The school went well.  It could be said that some parts were boring but that seems to be a condition of life.

The rally went VERY well.  Among VMSC rallyists it seems that Pasha and Gordon are unbeatable, but Sue and Mary are pressing VERY hard.

The competition year is just beginning but MANY VMSC folks have  a goodly number of points.

Betsy provided a good rally and made competitors aware that they must pay attention to what an existing road is.

There were so many good and dedicated people involved that I cannot begin to provide adequate salutation.  Michael, Tom, Lonnie, Mary, Sue, Bruce, Genie, Charlie, Greg, Dave, Harvey. Thank you.

We'll see you at the first control,
71  Events / Road Rally / Only 4 spaces left for Rally 201 on: February 07, 2006, 07:05:35 AM
There are currently 16 cars (32 people) registered for Rally 201.  That means there are only 4 spaces left.  To enter go to and reserve your space.

Chuck Edwards:bounce:

[Edited on 8-2-2006 by ceecpa]

[Edited on 8-2-2006 by ceecpa]
72  Events / Road Rally / Real Rally Cars on: February 03, 2006, 06:35:35 AM
Gus van der Poll sent these pictures of the Monte Carlo rally.

See you at the first control,
73  Events / Other Events / Flag School at VIR on: February 02, 2006, 10:50:03 AM
Dragon's Ridge will be here one fine day.  If you can't drive a race car then try helping others drive.  Here's a school that'll get you set up.

The NC Region would like to extend an invitation to all workers, of any specialty, to our 2006 version of Crash & Burn school, flagging, and fun. This will take place on Saturday, February 11th. Meet at 9 AM at the Patriot Building at VIR. We will utilize the Patriot both downstairs and upstairs for our classroom training, taking full advantage of the cooler morning indoors. Following lunch, we will then join Cowboy and his group up at the South Paddock area and warm ourselves up by putting out some fires. We should target our day to end around 3 p.m.
If you want to pack a lunch, please feel free to do so. If you care to participate in the track Pagoda food line, that will also be available as there will be track activity the day we are there. Please extend this invitation to any interested members in your region to join the NCR on Saturday, Feb 11th, for some basic flagging, hand signal, incident and fire training.
Any questions may be directed to NCR's Flag Chief, Chuck Stanley. His email address is and his home phone is (919) 552-0228.
Hope to see you there!
Ginny Condrey
North Carolina Region, SCCA
4455 NC Highway 87 North
Pittsboro, NC 27312
phone: 800-342-7390
fax: 919-542-5384
74  Events / Autocross / no more VMP? on: January 25, 2006, 07:45:55 AM
There are a lot of responses on the USAutocross website.  If you post a support memo there, please remember that VMP is a business seeking a profit. As such their focus will be on what pushes Net Income higher.  With a lot of pleading it may be possible to get them to raise the rent for the lot so that autocrosses can continue to be run there.  That will mean that entry fees must rise also because all organizations have to cover at least average variable cost to survive.  For-profit organizations have not much goodness of heart - you must look through such goodnesses to see the real motive.

We could become profit-seekers, too.  How much will you invest in order to buy a site for autocrossing?
75  Events / Road Rally / Rally & Autocross in/around Danville airport on: January 09, 2006, 07:00:01 PM
We're looking at holding a rally on a Saturday and an autocross on the Sunday.  The rally will be in the NC Piedmont and the autocross will be at the Danville, VA airport.  Autocrossers tell me it's a 5th gear course.  But look for a slalom to slow you down, because you'll be in an earth-bound vehicle not a Cessna or a (snort, pant) Piper Baron (twin turbo props, 400 HP each).

Chuck Edwards
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