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26  Events / Road Rally / Re: Laura's Evening Ride on: April 04, 2008, 11:19:24 AM
I want to think everyone had a good time.  Except for a train getting in the way, and an unexpected small portion of dirt, the rally went smoothly.  The final results will be forwarded to
the statistician soon and hopefully posted.  Thanks for asking and sure hope you can make it to
"Down to the Rivah" April 19.
27  Events / Road Rally / Checkpoints (the Newsletter) on: September 29, 2007, 10:19:24 AM
Checkpoints will publish at 10:00 AM on Monday, October 1, 2007.

If you don't receive it send your email address to .

28  Events / Autocross / Checkpoints (the Newsletter) on: September 29, 2007, 10:18:13 AM
Checkpoints will publish at 10:00 AM on Monday, October 1, 2007.

If you don't receive it send your email address to .

29  Events / Road Rally / New Checkpoints (the Newsletter) Format on: September 21, 2007, 06:26:37 AM
A new format for Checkpoints will start with the October issue.

It will be distributed by email.

A TEST MAILING will take place at 5:00 PM, Friday, September 21, 2007.  If you do not receive it send a correct email address to Rally@VMSC.ORG before October.

Betsy and Chuck Edwards
30  Events / Autocross / New Checkpoints Format on: September 21, 2007, 06:25:25 AM
A new format for Checkpoints will start with the October issue.

It will be distributed by email.

A TEST MAILING will take place at 5:00 PM, Friday, September 21, 2007.  If you do not receive it send a correct email address to Rally@VMSC.ORG before October.

Betsy and Chuck Edwards
31  Events / Autocross / Eagle's Nest Hillclimb on: August 10, 2007, 07:58:41 AM
The word is out: The Eagle's Nest Hillclimb is on August 18-19.  Come on up and enjoy the cool mountain air and high country hospitality.  A new course with new challenges featuring downhill sections on the 1.5 mile course should make for exciting moments.  Other event highlights include:
Free lodging for race staff---most of us will be at the Top of Beech Inn.  Rooms are double occupancy so if you have a roomie preference, let us know.
Lunch both days and a mega-social--including several live bands-- Saturday night.
Some sort of baubles or trinkets and door prizes.
Did I mention the average temps are 20 degrees cooler up there?
For those of you who made Wolf Ridge, this place is just as spectacular.  You do NOT want to miss this one.
If you are coming, lemme know.  If you need a room, lemme know now.  If you don't want pot luck on roomie assignments, be sure to say so.
For info go to the Central Carolinas Region of SCCA.
32  General / Autos and Autosport / ODU major in autosports engineering on: May 24, 2007, 07:49:03 AM
The Aerospace Engineering Department at Old Dominion University currently offers a minor in motorsports engineering for mechanical engineering and engineering technology students. This minor introduces critical technologies (aerodynamics, chassis dynamics, piston engines, and racecar performance) that drive high performance racecars and prepares students for entry-level positions in motorsports or automobile industries.

The department is also initiating a master of engineering degree in motorsports engineering, projected to start in spring 2008. This unique program will alternate matriculation sites between the Norfolk campus and Virginia International Raceway (VIR) and will include substantial laboratory content, including a large state-of-the-art wind tunnel, 8-post dynamic test facility, motion-base driving simulator, large capacity chassis dynamometer and on-board engine performance data systems. A capstone project will include on-track performance testing at the VIR facility.

The Aerospace Engineering Department seeks motorsports enthusiasts to fill adjunct faculty positions to teach innovative courses in these exciting new degree programs. Responsibilities include lecture and laboratory instruction at the U/G and graduate level in topics such as: • Ground vehicle aerodynamics (U/G & graduate) • Motorsports vehicle dynamics (U/G) • Racecar performance (U/G) • High performance engines (U/G) • Tires and brakes (graduate) • Structures & materials (graduate) • Sensors & data analysis (graduate) • Drivetrains (graduate) • Team dynamics & leadership (graduate) Minimum qualifications require a Master of Science degree in an appropriate engineering discipline or equivalent experience. Please contact Dr. Colin Britcher, Professor and Chair, Aerospace Engineering at 757- 683-3720 or for additional information.
33  General / Open Forum / VMSC badge on: April 24, 2007, 06:44:00 PM
Seeking an original VMSC badge.  Please state price and condition.  Thanks,  Chuck Edwards
34  General / Autos and Autosport / Car Auction Info from Hemmings on: March 15, 2007, 06:48:49 PM
Do you find yourself lusting after an Aston Martin DB9 or Maybach 62, but having a billfold only thick enough to justify a nice American collector car? You’re in luck on all counts if you plan to visit the Exotic & Collector’s Car Auction of U.S. Marshals Service’s seized Department of Justice vehicles. This auction will be hosted by Motleys Auction & Realty Group, and will be taking place at 10 a.m. on Tuesday, March 20, at the Richmond Auto Auction in Richmond, Virginia.
The 35-plus vehicles crossing the auction block will include offerings as diverse as a 2006 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, a 2006 Cadillac XLR roadster, a 1985 Chevrolet Monte Carlo and a 1964 Buick Wildcat. Visit or call 804-232-7355 for more information.
35  Events / Autocross / Wolf Ridge Hillclimb in NC on: March 09, 2007, 06:38:45 AM
This is slightly off-topic but this event should be a hoot and this is the most-read group in the forum.

Adrenaline Junkies Return to Western North Carolina

For Immediate Release:  1-31-2007
The intense, action packed sport of Hillclimbing is making its triumphant return to the Western North Carolina Area in May, 2007.
Hillclimb had enjoyed a storied and exciting 39 year history in the area, when in 1995, the Chimney Rock Hillclimb was run for the final time.  A suitable site was located the following year and used until 2001, but since then, this white-knuckle,grass-roots motorsport has moved outside the general area, to the Blue Ridge Hillclimb in Sparta, NC from 2002-2006.  
After a 6 year hiatus, the sport returns to the area with a new venue that promises to rival the legendary Chimney Rock event.  The Wolf-Ridge Hillclimb, sponsored by Prestige Subaru, will explode onto the motorsports scene in May 2007 featuring some of the fastest hillclimb vehicles in the United States.  From ground-pounding 700 HP racers to feather-light custom built "hillclimb-specials", vehicles the likes of which many people have probably never seen before will be making their valiant attempts to tame "The Big Bad Wolf."
This would be the first-ever national-level motorsports event held in Madison County, North Carolina.  Located just 7 miles from I-26, 35 miles from Asheville, and 45 miles from Johnson City, TN, this event promises to bring newfound visitors, tourism, and fame to the rural area.
"This is one of the best venues we have looked at in many years" said Mark Mashburn, veteran hillclimb driver.
Hillclimb events involve closed paved roadways, multiple turns, and measurable elevation change.  Competitors are released for their attack on the mountain in intervals, and timed from start to finish.  Speeds approaching 100 miles per hour, on roads with speed limits of 25-30 miles per hour are common, pushing both vehicle and driver to their limits.
The vehicles running are not your common "grocery getters", extensive equipment and driver training are required in order to compete in this sport, which obviously can be extremely dangerous.  
"We have to prepare the cars with significant rollover protection, fire protection, and use special fire-proof clothing in the event that something happens" commented Nicholas Seymour, local Sandy-Mush driver.  Seymour also commented that there are significant licensing requirements in order to compete.  "Due to the nature of this type of event, potential drivers must prove high-speed competition experience in order
to drive at hillclimbs."
Hillclimbing is not only a thrill for drivers.  Spectators are allowed and encouraged, provided they observe official spectator areas, and follow directions of event officials.  The event promises to offer a view inside a thrilling motorsport that for several years, had seemed to be only a fond memory for the Western North Carolina area.
Further information about the sport of Hillclimbing, as well as more detail about the Wolf Ridge Hillclimb can be found on the official website, located at
Submitted by:
Jerry Hagan
Wolf Ridge Hillclimb
Sponsorship and Promotions
(828) 606-1019
36  Events / Road Rally / 2007 RoadRally Schedule on: February 12, 2007, 08:40:11 AM
2007 VMSC Rally Calendar                     
3/24/07   River to River Richmond, VA Betsy Edwards   804-266-3135

4/28/07   Tip Toe Thru the Tulips Richmond, VA Pasha Paterson

6/23/07   Stuart's Ride Richmond, VA   Chuck Edwards   804-266-3135

7/28/07   Blackwater Brew   Suffolk, VA   Greg Smith   757-463-2793

8/25/07   Dragon's Lair   Surry, VA   Mark Sanetrik   757-890-2993

9/15/07   Surry Central   Surry, VA   Greg Warden   757-376-0832

10/27/07   Keath Marx   Varina, VA Keath Marx   804-795-5850

11/17/07   9th Month Madness   Richmond, VA Chuck Edwards   804-266-3135

[Edited on 2-12-2007 by ceecpa]
37  Events / Road Rally / Results on: January 19, 2007, 04:05:35 PM
March 24 sees the launch of the 2007 rally season with a school and rally at James River Cellars in Hanover County.  The school is directed at novices but will include clear instructions on winning a DIYC control and how to Great Race.

It's true you can't consume alcoholic beverages before or during an event but you can surely purchase something to share with your rallymaster after.

Afterr January 31 a flyer can be downloaded from .

See you at the first control,
Chuck Edwards
38  Events / Road Rally / Math/No Math - Great Race on: January 09, 2007, 01:10:29 PM
No one is able to regularly zero a control in the GRC.  It happens but there's a lot of luck involved.

You can use only a speedometer, but as many clocks as you want.  One time of day clock and two stopwatches will work great.  These don't need to be expensive clocks - even the $8.00 variety will work fine.

Here's how I'll do it:

1. Left out of parking lot at 10:00 AM plus your car number. You have 30 minutes to reach the start of the speedometer check leg.

We'll turn left out of the lot at 10:00 by my wristwatch and I'll start a stopwatch.

2. Right at Stop onto 360 East.

We'll do that.

3. At "Speed Limit 55" CAST 50 and begin speedometer check. You have 12 minutes and 7 seconds to reach the end of the speedometer check.

At about 29 minutes into the leg we'll stop where we can see the Speed Limit 55 (SL-55) sign.  We'll leave whereever we're stopped early enough to arrive at the SL-55 at 10:30 and we'll pass the sign while rolling.  I'll stop one stopwatch and start the other.  The stopped stopwatch should read 30 minutes. Zero it. Now we're trying to see if our speedometer is like the official speedometer.

4. At "Speed Limit 40" end speedometer check.

At SL-40 we'll roll by at 50, stop one watch and start the other.  We've been driving at 50 and the rallymaster said we should reach that point in 12 minutes and 7 seconds.  If my stopped stopwatch says 12 minutes and 4 seconds I know that my speedometer indicates a lower speed than does the rallymaster, but it's pretty durn close. Zero it.

5.  Left at "MacDonalds" into parking lot.  Begin rest break.  Leave the rest break at 11:15.

We'll do that.

Now we know that our speedometer is "fast" so we'll run a little slower than what the rallymaster says to CAST.  Not much slower, but a little.  For turns you have to speed up a little.  Stop signs and Yield signs will have pauses.  Going into a Stop sign you speed up a little.  Stop one watch, start the other to take out the pause; stop the pause watch, zero it, restart the other watch.  Accelerate quickly to the CAST, run a little too fast for 30 seconds or so, then settle down to the CAST.

You can't get any closer than this in GRC.  It's really a driver's event.
39  Events / Autocross / Any limits? on: January 07, 2007, 03:57:40 PM
In the central and eastern Virginia area VMSC, ODR-SCCA, TSCC, and NASA offer autocrosses.  In addition the BRR-SCCA is trying to attract us.

Is it possible to offer too many autocrosses?  If so, how many is too many?

See you at the first gate,

[Edited on 1-7-2007 by ceecpa]
40  Events / Road Rally / Great Race Class on: January 06, 2007, 07:36:40 PM
The Great Race Class (GRC) requires no math.  In another thread it has been suggested that mathematics is required even though there have been no examples of ways in which mathematics would be used to rally.

I invite all of you to look at the Great Race Rally Partners (GRRP) example rally which can be found at and see what you think.

Remember that the GRRP version of Great Race is what competitors in the National Great Race must contend with.  At the regional level it will be much simpler.  And THERE IS NO MATH REQUIRED TO WIN.

When the rally school comes along sign up for it and we'll introduce you to the freedom of a Great Race Class event.

GRRP is aware that folks don't like to use mathematics in order to rally and win.  We agree and plan to produce math-free events.

See you at the first control.

[Edited on 1-7-2007 by ceecpa]
41  Events / Road Rally / Great Race on: January 05, 2007, 01:01:03 PM
I guess I don't see the math - even the math in your head.  Can you give an example of the math you see as being required in order to win?

42  General / Technical Help / Machine Shop Tech Session on: January 05, 2007, 10:24:57 AM
Automotive Tech Session at NAPA Machine Shop
1601 Chamberlyne Ave.
Richmond, VA 23222
(804) 321-7467

Saturday, January 6, 2007
Tour & Demonstration begins at 9:00am
Come learn what is involved in the engine rebuilding and remachining process. Check out the equipment that can bring your engine tolerances to within 0.0005 of an inch! See demonstrations! Learn how to check for those infamous cracks. Bring in your own engine parts to discuss needed repairs.

The machine shop is located near the rear of the NAPA building. Enter the side door. No need to RSVP.
43  Events / Road Rally / Great Race on: January 05, 2007, 09:35:22 AM
Consider the following route instructions:

1. Right out of lot.  CAST 30 at Speed Limit 35 for 7 minutes and 30 seconds (noted as 7'30") then CAST 40.
2. Begin transit zone to lunch.

There could be a checkpoint in the timed section.  If so your score will be based on how well you averaged 30 for the given duration and then how well you averaged 40 until you got to the transit zone.

Appendix D prohibits calculations with other than pencil and paper.  Calculations are not needed, but many folks want to know how far they've gone even though they can't measure it.  

Sometimes you can estimate distance by telephone poles, certainly by highway mileage signs, and often by "seat of pants".

Math is not required but some folks have a need to convert the physical world to a digital reference.
44  Events / Road Rally / Great Race on: January 05, 2007, 07:05:38 AM
Here's Appendix D to the RRRs regarding the Great Race Class:


This Appendix is written to define a set of parameters to be used by rallymasters presenting a RoadRally suitable for cars without mileage measuring equipment.

A RoadRally allowing Great Race Class competition will comply with the rules for National Touring Rally events in the current SCCA RoadRally Rulebook.  Route following will comply with Article 22, Route Following Priorities.

In addition to the competition within class the Great Race Class will also be scored as a Class S entry for a National Touring Rally and must compete with the same Route Instructions as used by other entrants to compete in the National Touring Rally.  When the Route Instructions are different than the other entrants Great Race Class shall be considered a separate Regional RoadRally for purposes of National RoadRally Touring Championship competition. (In local events it is my hope that only ONE set of route instructions will be used.)

Odometers (mileage measuring equipment) are not allowed.  Odometers, if present, must be masked during the entire event.

Computation equipment is not allowed except for performance charts and tables.  All calculations must be done without any mechanical or electronic aid. (Mechanical aids include the Curta, the Stevens wheel, a sliderule, and an abacus all of which are prohibited. Electronic aid would include GPS and hand-held calculators - all prohibited.).

Any mechanical or quartz crystal analog or digital timing device is permitted.

Rallymasters should design Great Race Class events with consideration for the age and type of vehicles that may be competing.  Timing and maneuvers may have to be adjusted to suit these vehicles.  With regard to Article 17.D all references to mileage shall also be given in equivalent elapsed time within the Route Instructions and on Control Data Slips.
45  General / Open Forum / Results on: December 01, 2006, 05:20:36 PM
Whether it's a rally or an autocross your contestants are entitled to timely publication of results.  It is amazing to me that ODs are not tuned in.  Don't they compete also?

Chuck Edwards
46  Events / Road Rally / New VMSC Rally Equipment on: November 21, 2006, 01:10:57 PM
Three sets of extended lug nuts and a metal disc are now available so that the club EZ Pulse and Alfa Club can be mounted on any car with bolt-on wheels.  The extended lug nuts are in sizes M12 x 1.50, M12 x 1.25, and 1/2 x 20.

Club rallymasters can now measure their rallies accurately to the nearest 1/1000 of a mile.  It can even be used to measure the true distance of any autocross course, if that were ever needed.

Chuck Edwards
47  Events / Road Rally / Want to Run Autumns Fire on: November 14, 2006, 04:27:02 PM
The poster has a navigator.  

See you at the first control,
48  General / Technical Help / What car to buy? on: November 10, 2006, 03:51:51 PM
I'm going to purchase my last car in about a year.  Perhaps I'm starting too far in advance but I like to know where I'm going.  Here are my issues...
1. I want a car that will hold 3 big men plus driver easily.  My Forester was inadequate to the task in a recent run through of the Old Dominion.
2. Recently I asked Subaru to sell me a special tool.  They refused. Accordingly, I want a car that can be serviced by an experienced and intelligent home mechanic using commonly available tools.
3. I want a car that will easily achieve 200,000 miles.  I'm carefult about changing oil and coolants, and I use the very best synthetic, Mobil 1.
4. I want a car with a bumper to which I can attach real driving lights.

Are there any such cars?

Thanks for your help,
Chuck Edwards
49  Events / Road Rally / Drive wanted on: November 09, 2006, 06:47:20 AM
Yes.  David Chu is going to drive my Subaru and I'll navigate.

50  Events / Road Rally / Drive wanted on: November 06, 2006, 11:54:01 AM
I need a driver for Keath and Donna Marx's event Autumns Fire, on Saturday November 18.

Have computer, will travel.

Chuck Edwards
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