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Title: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: mikedamageinc on November 27, 2017, 06:27:26 AM
I'm looking for cheap summer tires to learn track driving in 275-35-18. I've been to a few events and between running mostly old Hoosiers and a session on all seasons, I could tell how much smoother I had to be on the street tires. So I'm looking for the best cheap summer tires I can get, not spending a grand on some Pilot Super Sports, though I know they would be great.

***EDIT***(previous tires not so great)
I'm thinking about the following, both good reviews, one is cheaper and seem to be reviewed more for track/ax so that alone sounds better that they get attention:

Kumho PS91 $580 shipped from tire rack.
Federal 595RS-RR $515 shipped Amazon


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: jloehlein on November 28, 2017, 07:29:19 PM
I don't have feedback on either of those tires, but I'd recommend the Nitto NT01 over any of those (including Pilot Super Sports), hands down.  I have a set of 8-year old Nitto NT01s that probably have over a dozen track days and 5k street miles on them - when I ran them in the Spring at VIR, they were still faster than brand new Azenis.  Also - I went through ~30% of the Azenis in like 4 sessions...compare that to like 60+ sessions on the Nittos.  The only real precaution I've taken with them is to store them inside in the winter.  They're like $1k in your size, so still "expensive", but they're the longest lasting track-oriented tire I've found.  As long as you can get enough camber in the car to make sure you're not chewing the shoulders off the tires, they might actually be cheaper in the long run.

What car are you putting them on, and do you drive the car on the street much?


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: mikedamageinc on November 29, 2017, 09:38:54 AM
It will be on my 3700# (with me) Camaro which eats the outside. Currently around -1.8 camber but I'm going to grind the slots for another -.5 and I have offset bushings that get another -.5 if necessary.

I don't mind dropping a little more for tires that will last and ultimate grip doesn't matter since I'm learning. Also these will be dedicated for track, maybe drive to the track but that's it. Inside storage isn't a problem either.

Thanks for the recommendation!


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: gunny on November 29, 2017, 04:18:59 PM
It will be on my 3700# (with me) Camaro which eats the outside. Currently around -1.8 camber but I'm going to grind the slots for another -.5 and I have offset bushings that get another -.5 if necessary.

I don't mind dropping a little more for tires that will last and ultimate grip doesn't matter since I'm learning. Also these will be dedicated for track, maybe drive to the track but that's it. Inside storage isn't a problem either.

Thanks for the recommendation!

LOL Grip doesn't matter! Get a Grip! LOL just kidding!
But really grip does matter. I was running on old RS3's and the grip was so bad it wasn't fun going 135 into turn one at NCCAR! In that same session I went off and that was pretty scary. I actually drove home and put my re71r's on to run in the sunday session
Grip Matters, cant learn if your off the track and being a nuisance/hazard to the other drivers on the track.

 
Gunny


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: pipefitter on November 30, 2017, 07:22:37 AM
 The best I've had on my Camaro were the NT01's. I've used Kumho Victoracers, V710's, Hoosier A3's, A6's, and the NT05's I hate. Like Justin was saying they stick very well, and last for ever. I had them on the Monza I drove in my SCCA schools. They showed very, very little wear. Dollar for dollar, I think they're the best tire out there. I'll probably go back to them.


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: mikedamageinc on November 30, 2017, 01:22:04 PM
Thanks guys, I've had the most votes for NT01's, unfortunately they are the most expensive! Of course if they last longer, then thats less mount & balance cost too. How many 20 minute sessions at nccar would you think they average? I've found Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's for 600 shipped, which is about half the NT01's, but they probably will only last a few track days, especially NCCAR.

Only 135 Gunny in the vette? I thought you'd be higher than that! Notice I said "ultimate grip" Obviously I want to stay on the pavement, just don't want Hoosier like grip so I can feel to mistakes, in a safe way of course!



Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: gunny on November 30, 2017, 06:16:29 PM
Thanks guys, I've had the most votes for NT01's, unfortunately they are the most expensive! Of course if they last longer, then thats less mount & balance cost too. How many 20 minute sessions at nccar would you think they average? I've found Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's for 600 shipped, which is about half the NT01's, but they probably will only last a few track days, especially NCCAR.

Only 135 Gunny in the vette? I thought you'd be higher than that! Notice I said "ultimate grip" Obviously I want to stay on the pavement, just don't want Hoosier like grip so I can feel to mistakes, in a safe way of course!



Well I'll follow you into turn one so you can test that "Ultimate grip" on cheap tires! Yea I rounded down, you made me look at my videos. All I could muster was 138, sorry to disappoint.

LOL
your going to have a blast!

Gunny


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: jloehlein on December 01, 2017, 04:24:09 AM
275/35/18 NT01s are $249ea at Discount Tire Direct.  Can't comment on number of sessions, it depends too much on your setup and driving style...also NCCAR chews up tires.


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: mikedamageinc on December 01, 2017, 02:02:11 PM
Thanks guys, I've had the most votes for NT01's, unfortunately they are the most expensive! Of course if they last longer, then thats less mount & balance cost too. How many 20 minute sessions at nccar would you think they average? I've found Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's for 600 shipped, which is about half the NT01's, but they probably will only last a few track days, especially NCCAR.

Only 135 Gunny in the vette? I thought you'd be higher than that! Notice I said "ultimate grip" Obviously I want to stay on the pavement, just don't want Hoosier like grip so I can feel to mistakes, in a safe way of course!



Well I'll follow you into turn one so you can test that "Ultimate grip" on cheap tires! Yea I rounded down, you made me look at my videos. All I could muster was 138, sorry to disappoint.

LOL
your going to have a blast!

Gunny

You know what I mean! Not cheap, but rather low cost good tires!

Is yours LS2 or 3? I think the gearing got taller in the c6 didnt it? I get into 5th at about 133 and half way down the straight if I hit the sweeper right but not sure what I top at, stereo has gps speed but stops at 135. I basically have c5 z06 drivetrain.


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: mikedamageinc on December 01, 2017, 02:03:20 PM
275/35/18 NT01s are $249ea at Discount Tire Direct.  Can't comment on number of sessions, it depends too much on your setup and driving style...also NCCAR chews up tires.

Very true. What do you think worst case scenario at nccar on a heavy car is?


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: jloehlein on December 02, 2017, 08:20:56 PM
Very true. What do you think worst case scenario at nccar on a heavy car is?

Worst-case - probly a couple dozen.  Id expect them to last at least twice as long as other options though.


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: mikedamageinc on December 04, 2017, 07:46:02 AM
That's surprising with the 100 treadwear rating, which I know is subjective. Either way good to know, the NT01's have received the most votes, just wish they weren't so expensive. I would hate to cord the outside of them while still lots of center tread.

Thanks for the help guys! gonna marinade on it for a while...


Title: Re: Looking for cheap track tires
Post by: gunny on December 04, 2017, 12:59:28 PM
Thanks guys, I've had the most votes for NT01's, unfortunately they are the most expensive! Of course if they last longer, then thats less mount & balance cost too. How many 20 minute sessions at nccar would you think they average? I've found Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's for 600 shipped, which is about half the NT01's, but they probably will only last a few track days, especially NCCAR.

Only 135 Gunny in the vette? I thought you'd be higher than that! Notice I said "ultimate grip" Obviously I want to stay on the pavement, just don't want Hoosier like grip so I can feel to mistakes, in a safe way of course!



Well I'll follow you into turn one so you can test that "Ultimate grip" on cheap tires! Yea I rounded down, you made me look at my videos. All I could muster was 138, sorry to disappoint.

LOL
your going to have a blast!

Gunny

You know what I mean! Not cheap, but rather low cost good tires!

Is yours LS2 or 3? I think the gearing got taller in the c6 didnt it? I get into 5th at about 133 and half way down the straight if I hit the sweeper right but not sure what I top at, stereo has gps speed but stops at 135. I basically have c5 z06 drivetrain.

LS2 I'm in 4th gear. I think my 4th gear is good for about 150mph. I got close to that at VIR.