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Title: Racing Seat or Coil Overs
Post by: gunny on June 13, 2017, 12:49:07 PM
For most you know me and my car.
I've been doing some more track time this year and I'm starting to get the hang of live above 100mph.
anyhow just a quick question.
Starting the slippery slope of replacing/upgrading some things.

So after talking with some folks at Summit Point I've come up with two things I would like to upgrade relatively soon.

Racing seats and harness
or
Coil Overs

Which one should I do first?

for you instructors out there I would like to get your take and anybody else for that matter.


thanks,
looking forward to some good insight.

Gunny


Title: Re: Racing Seat or Coil Overs
Post by: jloehlein on June 13, 2017, 05:06:50 PM
Do you feel like you need a seat?  All else equal, I'd do coilovers first.  That said, it looks like a set of Pfadt coilovers are like $3k whereas a good seat, harness bar and harness should be well under $1k.

If you end up getting a seat, make sure it's still comfortable getting in and out of the car.  Racing seats with high sides can make it a real pain in the butt.  Not convenient for when you want to hop in and drive around.


Title: Re: Racing Seat or Coil Overs
Post by: gunny on June 14, 2017, 06:24:01 AM
Do you feel like you need a seat?  All else equal, I'd do coilovers first.  That said, it looks like a set of Pfadt coilovers are like $3k whereas a good seat, harness bar and harness should be well under $1k.

If you end up getting a seat, make sure it's still comfortable getting in and out of the car.  Racing seats with high sides can make it a real pain in the butt.  Not convenient for when you want to hop in and drive around.


Yea so I was thinking coilovers also. looking into Pfadt, LG motorsports, or johnny O Connel's
I did the hpde at summit point and my instructor had the same car as mine but setup for racing. It was fast! anyhow I was doing ok speed wise but I was getting tired by the end of a 25 minute session cause I was hanging on the wheel pretty tight. He recommended that I get seats and harness first or get them the same time I get the coilovers! he says the coilovers will make a huge improvement in how the car handles and I will for sure need a seat and harness. Anyhow I'm still contemplating on what to do.

so I called zips to ask about the Pfadt/Johnny O's. evidently Pfadt was bought by a company and from what they say Pfadt line is being temporarily put on hold so I'm guessing thats why the price is kinda high.
 
I think I'm going with these for the coilovers
https://www.lgmotorsports.com/tracking-racing-parts/corvette-racing-suspension/gt2-adjustable-coilovers.html

and these for the seats
https://www.corvettemods.com/C3-C4-C5-C6-C7-Corvette-1968-2014-SuedeLeather-Corbeau-A4-Racing-Seats-Pair-Reclining_p_11484.html

I think I'm going with the coilovers. I have one more hpde I'm scheduled to do in September so I'll just lift some weights and get my old ass in shape.

maybe could use some help putting on the coilovers.

Gunny

 


Title: Re: Racing Seat or Coil Overs
Post by: abshifflett on June 14, 2017, 12:24:19 PM
When I was doing HPDE's with my vette my instructors advised me to use the stock belts while on the track. The way it was explained to me is that in the unlikely event of a roll over your body will remain upright in the seat and wouldn't be able to slide down to escape crumpling. Multiple instructors with FATT and TrackDaze advised me to do a full cage with HANS or use the stock belts. The harness does make a huge difference in driving comfort, but its not worth the risk in my opinion.


Title: Re: Racing Seat or Coil Overs
Post by: whiteryder on June 15, 2017, 06:21:57 AM
When I was doing HPDE's with my vette my instructors advised me to use the stock belts while on the track. The way it was explained to me is that in the unlikely event of a roll over your body will remain upright in the seat and wouldn't be able to slide down to escape crumpling. Multiple instructors with FATT and TrackDaze advised me to do a full cage with HANS or use the stock belts. The harness does make a huge difference in driving comfort, but its not worth the risk in my opinion.

As I understand it, it's a matter of matching your safety gear.  With the stock seat and no roll bar, you want to use the stock safety gear - i.e. the stock belt - to preserve the factory designed safety mechanisms.  If you have a race seat, you really should have a roll bar and harness so that you are protected differently since now the factory safety mechanisms won't help you.


Title: Re: Racing Seat or Coil Overs
Post by: gunny on June 15, 2017, 06:48:07 AM
Yea, I've been doing alot of reading on this subject.
changing the seat out for DE's and track days is different (should have a rollbar) than autocross use were a harness bar would suffice.
Seems as if Beth knows her stuff! (thanks for the input)
Most recommend if you get a seat get a 5 or 6 point Harness with a rollbar.
So a seat, harness and rollbar will be a project for next year (maybe).

Gunny


Title: Re: Racing Seat or Coil Overs
Post by: wahoo5 on June 18, 2017, 05:18:01 PM
You can do a hybrid HANS with a harness bar and belts on a stock seat or a standard seatbelt. You don't have to wait to get a HANs. I have a Simpson that Dave recommended.

David