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Title: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 09, 2009, 02:56:33 PM
Any interest in having a Dyno Day at Performance Autosport in Goochland on an upcoming Saturday? We would need 10 cars to get the rate dropped to $55 for 3 pulls. Here is the info from Kevin at Performance Autosport:

As rates go, from 1-9 cars would be $65 per car.  If you get 10 or more I'll drop it to $55 per car.  That is for 3 pulls back to back, no tuning or changes, print outs, all that good stuff.  If you want to give me a call ahead of time to let me know how many people we'd be happy to provide lunch as well as long as everyone likes pizza.

Info on Performance Autosport's dyno is at http://www.performanceautosport.com/dynojet.asp (http://www.performanceautosport.com/dynojet.asp).
Directions to Performance AUtosport are at http://www.performanceautosport.com/contact.asp (http://www.performanceautosport.com/contact.asp).

I would suggest Saturday, 2-28 at 10:00 (our first autocross is the next day at RIR) or Saturday, 3-14. We cannot get 3-7.

Please respond with whether you can come and your preferred date. I need a commitment by 2-18 to make this work.

David

PS Revised to eliminate 3-7 as an option and add 3-14.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ahamos on February 09, 2009, 04:34:09 PM
This is something I've wanted to do for a while, but without the opportunity to make any changes or get printouts, it's not very valuable to me.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 09, 2009, 05:57:17 PM
I think you do get printouts. (The "no" applies to changes.) In the past they have been ok with simple changes like dropping in a different air cleaner. Does that change your mind?

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: JCHVMSC on February 09, 2009, 06:35:50 PM
I don't think he meant no printouts, just no changes

p.s. he did let us make changes like air filters, etc, but no "tuning" between runs, so maybe he will do that again

John

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Kevin@PAS on February 10, 2009, 09:46:04 AM
Sorry if my first email was kinda confusing.  I even read it again and thought it was unclear.

I will allow everyone to do 3 pulls for the pricing stated above and if you want to make little changes like changing air filters, reflashing your ecu/swapping out chips with a different tune, changing AFM settings in your Miata, etc thats fine.  But during a typical dyno day I'm not looking for people to be changing out exhaust or making serious tuning changes over and over.  If everyone around agrees that they'll wait it out and the person on the dyno doesn't mind paying a little bit more for dyno time then by all means we'll go to town.  I'm there all day, so it doesn't make any difference to me, but I'd like everyone to have a good time and get equal dyno time for what they are paying.

And yes, everyone will get print outs of their runs.  I can also email the runs to you or if you want to bring a jump drive I can shoot them right to the jump drive and you'll have them instantly.

I look forward to seeing some VMSC'ers out here.  Like I said, we'd be happy to provide lunch if that is ok with everyone.  If anyone has any specific dyno related questions feel free to email me at Kevin@PerformanceAutosport.com.  Most cars will take 20mins or so, but there are some more complex cars that will take slightly longer.  Like a S54 powered BMW for instance, it takes 10mins just to get to the ignition leads!

Thanks.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Kevin@PAS on February 10, 2009, 09:49:50 AM
btw, I better be dyno'ing a NSX that day.


Sadly it will only be the 2nd NSX that has ever graced my dyno.  And the first one was Comptech Supercharged, so it doesn't count.  I want to hear one in all its N/A glory!


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 10, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
If get enough people to do it, an NSX will be there! I saw the photos of the red NSX with the supercharger. It looked really nice. How much power was he putting down?

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: jloehlein on February 10, 2009, 01:18:06 PM
I'll commit to coming.  The 28th works fine for me, I think I am free any of the other weekends as well.  I do plan on datalogging each pull and re-flashing the ECU, but this only take a couple of minutes between pulls.

Kevin - Do you have a sniffer to put in the tailpipe and give AF ratio?


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ahamos on February 10, 2009, 03:48:40 PM
If I can knock out 3 big "ifs" between now and then, I'll go.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: JCHVMSC on February 10, 2009, 05:48:39 PM
Good news is that dude with the S54 won't be bringing it to dyno day, but I will be there with a Z06 to see what it looks like


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 10, 2009, 07:19:55 PM
Here is the list. Date choices are 2-28 and 3-14.
Add your name if you can go and note if there is a date you CANNOT do.)

David Ogburn
John Harmon
Justin Loehlein
Adrian Amos (?)


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Kevin@PAS on February 11, 2009, 09:18:12 AM
If get enough people to do it, an NSX will be there! I saw the photos of the red NSX with the supercharger. It looked really nice. How much power was he putting down?

368rwhp, can't remember the torque number.  It was very impressive to drive, but it was much more pleasurable to drive when we returned it to N/A so he could sell it.

Kevin - Do you have a sniffer to put in the tailpipe and give AF ratio?

Sure do.  And the prices above include AFR recording as well on every pull.

:D


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 12, 2009, 07:32:31 AM
Here is the list. Date choices are 2-28 and 3-14.
Add your name if you can go and note if there is a date you CANNOT do.)

David Ogburn
John Harmon
Justin Loehlein
Adrian Amos (?)
Chike Dellimore (cannot do 3-14)

I've added myself to the list. Interested in the numbers my BS RX-8 makes. I can only do the dyno on 2-28. On 3-14 I'll be in GA attending the Dixie NT.

P.S. I'll post this on the BRR-SCCA forum. Might get a few more people from there.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 12, 2009, 08:07:21 AM
I don't think he meant no printouts, just no changes

p.s. he did let us make changes like air filters, etc, but no "tuning" between runs, so maybe he will do that again

John
John,

That dyno you posted was for what car? Would you say it is a low reading or high reading dynojet? Anyone know what a stock '05+ Mustang GT puts down on this dyno?


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 12, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
The dyno sheet that John posted was from his BMW M Coupe.

Thanks for posting on BRR.

We are halfway to the 10 we need. Anyone? Anyone?

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 12, 2009, 10:28:45 PM
The dyno sheet that John posted was from his BMW M Coupe.

Thanks for posting on BRR.

We are halfway to the 10 we need. Anyone? Anyone?

David

Thanks David. FWIW, I could be there on 2/28 regardless of whether we reach 10 people or not. $65 for 3 dyno runs with afr's and a print out is still a good deal. 8) ($55 though is even better!)


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 12, 2009, 10:38:42 PM
Chike and I are up for for 2-28 even if it is $65 per car? Is this an option for others if we don't get 10 to get the price to $55? If so, I will go ahead and tell Kevin to reserve 2-28 for us.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: jloehlein on February 13, 2009, 04:53:57 AM
$65 is fine with me.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 13, 2009, 07:05:43 AM
Thanks. Sounds good!


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Kevin@PAS on February 13, 2009, 07:52:36 AM
Anyone know what a stock '05+ Mustang GT puts down on this dyno?

I happened to have a wee bit of experience with dyno'ing Mustangs.  A 2005-2006 should dyno bone stock at 255-260rwhp, a 2007-2009 will dyno bone stock at 275-285rwhp.  Even though they are rated the same, they most definitely are stronger in the later years.

If so, I will go ahead and tell Kevin to reserve 2-28 for us.

Consider it done and if anything changes just keep me posted.  We can start at 10am.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 13, 2009, 08:09:20 AM
Perfect. Thanks for the info Kevin.  Those numbers seem right inline with what I've been reading for Mustangs.

Cool. I'll see you guys on 2-28 at 10am sharp!


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 13, 2009, 10:19:55 AM


If so, I will go ahead and tell Kevin to reserve 2-28 for us.

Consider it done and if anything changes just keep me posted.  We can start at 10am.
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Thanks. Will keep you posted.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: tom4416 on February 14, 2009, 06:18:33 AM
Thanks to David for the email with the heads up about this.  I've got a Miata that needs some pulls to check out some "improvements" that I've made over the winter.  Good timing and I'll be there on the 28th (ten or not).  Want to see his the numbers on his stock NSX also.

Tom


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 14, 2009, 10:18:36 AM
Great, Tom. Look forward to seeing you there.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 14, 2009, 08:35:42 PM
Count one more for the 28th! My friend Michael Mimms will be coming with me to dyno his Cobalt SS S/C.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 14, 2009, 10:08:53 PM
Updated list for the 28th.

David Ogburn
John Harmon
Justin Loehlein
Adrian Amos (?)
Chike Dellimore
Tom Howlin
Michael Mimms

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 16, 2009, 03:43:07 PM
Updated list for the 28th.

David Ogburn
John Harmon
Justin Loehlein
Adrian Amos (?)
Chike Dellimore
Tom Howlin
Michael Mimms
Roger Garrett

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: funrun on February 16, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
I'm in.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ccann26 on February 16, 2009, 08:09:22 PM

 I would also like to get a dyno on my 07 speed3 count me in !! 2/28 will be fine .


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 16, 2009, 08:20:40 PM
Updated list for the 28th.

David Ogburn
John Harmon
Justin Loehlein - 95 Civic, stock motor with intake, exhaust and ECU  ;)
Adrian Amos (?)
Chike Dellimore
Tom Howlin
Michael Mimms
Roger Garrett
Lonnie Hawkins
ccann26

We have 10 if everyone shows. This means we get pizza for lunch, and the lower price!

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 17, 2009, 10:17:53 AM
That's awesome news. Keep signing up people - the more the merrier!


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 19, 2009, 10:48:23 PM
We have 2 more possibilities in Bill Lloyd and Keath Marx.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Kevin@PAS on February 25, 2009, 01:02:25 PM
Looks like we're are going to have a very decent showing.  Can't wait to meet everyone and see others that I haven't seen in a while.

Lunch is on me!


Oh, and not to be picky, but could you put the types of cars by the names so I can start getting an idea of what I have to look forward to and what order I may want to go in depending on the number of FWD vs. RWD.  Thank you!


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 25, 2009, 08:07:30 PM
Here you go.

David Ogburn NA2 NSX
John Harmon C5 Z06
Justin Loehlein - 95 Civic, stock motor with intake, exhaust and ECU 
Chike Dellimore RX-8
Tom Howlin Miata
Michael Mimms Cobalt SS
Roger Garrett C6 Z06
Lonnie Hawkins Miata
ccann26 MazdaSpeed 3
Bill Lloyd Z28
Keath Marx C5 Z06
Paul Hale 280Z

That is all but 2. If they see this they can fill it in. I would expect at least a couple of no shows, although no one has let me know they are not coming. I will let you know if I do hear anything.

I need to leave no later than 12:30 so I would appreciate it if you could work me in before that.

Thanks, Kevin. Let me know if you need any more info.

David



Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: impound on February 26, 2009, 05:23:23 PM
hhhmmmnnn


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 26, 2009, 09:23:14 PM
Can I interpret that as you will see us on Saturday? If so, post what you will put on teh dyno so Kevin can plan.

Thanks.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Kevin@PAS on February 26, 2009, 09:33:23 PM
hhhmmmnnn

Are you the owner of the Satin Black Integra that was for sale?  If so, you definitely need to bring that out so I can look at it...just because I want to look at it.  Then I'll convince you to dyno it later.

Come on out!




Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 27, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
David,

Michael Mimms and I will definitely be there tomorrow. Michael drives a Cobalt SS supercharged.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 27, 2009, 05:41:18 PM
Great. Thanks.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on February 27, 2009, 06:16:40 PM
So is the site east of short pump or west of it?  Roger said it was out further towards his place but the directions on the pas sight shows something closer in.



Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: JCHVMSC on February 27, 2009, 07:34:56 PM
It is further out

If you are coming out Broad street, turn right at the Exxon station, then right again and it is on your right

You can get off at the Manakin-Sabot exit, turn left, then right at the Valero station and it is on you left at the top of the hill

Near the water tower

John


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 27, 2009, 08:17:45 PM
Just to be sure, this adress and phone number to Performance Autosport is correct?

ADDRESS
12927 Plaza Drive
Suite B
Richmond, Virginia 23233

(804) 784-8851

Thanks!


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 27, 2009, 08:47:31 PM
This is the address. If you have problems, call my cell, 804-314-9595.

Link to map - http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Richmond&state=VA&address=12927+Plaza+Drive (http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Richmond&state=VA&address=12927+Plaza+Drive)

Take the Rockville/Manakin exit off of I-64. Go south towards Broad St/Rt. 250. You will see Plaza Dr. on the right before you get to Broad. There is a gas station where you turn, I think it is a Valero, but I am not positive. Performance Autosport is on the left about 1/4 mile down Plaza Dr. There is a lighting store in the front face of the building and they are on the right side of the building as you face it.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on February 27, 2009, 09:50:16 PM
Perfect. Thanks David!


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on February 28, 2009, 06:37:06 AM
Thanks!


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: JCHVMSC on February 28, 2009, 05:11:51 PM
Thanks to the Mark and  Kevin and the team at Performance Autosport for another great VMSC Dyno Day -  we had a good turnout. For those that were unable to attend, we were able to get 3 runs with A/F rations and printouts at a very reasonable cost. The hospitality at PAS is always fantastic and they usually have several interesting cars in their shop.They also hosted us for a pizza lunch.

We will attempt to post all the results from today when we get a chance.

Stop and talk to the guys at PAS, they do great work. You can find them on the LINKS button on our website or at http://www.performanceautosport.com/

John
President, VMSC


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on February 28, 2009, 05:22:02 PM
It seemed like everything went well and everyone enjoyed themselves. Sorry I had to leave before the end.

Here is the list of cars and a few HP numbers that I remember. Please fill in the others and correct me if I didn't remember correctly on any oif these.

David Ogburn NA2 NSX 257 hp
John Harmon C5 Z06 344 hp
Justin Loehlein - 95 Civic 200hp
Chike Dellimore RX-8
Tom Howlin Miata  112 hp
Michael Mimms Cobalt SS 214hp
Roger Garrett C6 Z06 453 hp
Chris Cann MazdaSpeed 3 265hp
Bill Lloyd Z28 301 hp
Keath Marx C5 Z06 355 hp
Paul Hale 280Z 165 hp

I want to echo John in thanking Mark and Kevin at Performance Autosport. They are always great hosts. Mark has some Hoosier takeoffs from track sessions in 245/-17 275/40-17. Contact him if you are interested.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ccann26 on February 28, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Had a great time today and got to get my car on a scale thanks to the guys at performance auto sports, Dave , Keath and the pizza guy ! hope to see everybody tommarro , the pizza man too !

really impressed with the little 3's numbers 265/309tq  (rounded to the nearest number of course)

not impressed enough though .... I still want a z06 .


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Kevin@PAS on February 28, 2009, 11:25:24 PM
Thanks for all that came out.  I had a good time and it was perfect weather for making power and not sweating to death while dyno'ing car after car.  Hope everyone had a good time and come visit us at PAS any time if we can help out in any way.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/FlodaSER/part%20duex/new%2009/wapwapwap.jpg)

:D


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:23:30 AM
I too had a great time and the folks at PAS were awesome.

I got all of the data except for the Mazda Speed. 

Here are some graphs:

The first is all of the cars with Horsepower and the second is all with Torque.





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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:24:55 AM
This is Paul Hale's 280z

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:26:14 AM
Bill Lloyd's Stripper Camaro

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:27:50 AM
Justin Loehlein's Civic Type S

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:29:06 AM
Michael Mimms Cobalt S

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:30:22 AM
David Ogburn's NSX

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:32:04 AM
Chike Dellimore's RX8

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:33:21 AM
Roger Garrett's C6 Z06

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:36:36 AM
John Harmon's '04 C5 Z06, my '02 C5 Z06 and a comparison of the two including a marker showing the torque at 2100 rpm. 



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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Autox on March 01, 2009, 08:37:42 AM
And finally all three vette's best runs graphed together.

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ccann26 on March 01, 2009, 05:29:47 PM

 I can't believe how long that rx8 holds onto its power curve And Rogers Z06 numbers are incredible .


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: pipefitter on March 01, 2009, 07:14:07 PM
I can't open the links. Am I doing something wrong?


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: JCHVMSC on March 02, 2009, 09:28:26 AM
Me either, just right click on them and hit "save target as", save them somewhere and then you can open them from whereever you saved them

John


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on March 02, 2009, 09:48:05 AM
I can do what John said or I can just click on them and they open in a viewer window.

Here are a few pictures from Saturday

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ogburn/sets/72157614690418550/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ogburn/sets/72157614690418550/)

David



Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Chiketkd on March 02, 2009, 03:31:13 PM

 I can't believe how long that rx8 holds onto its power curve And Rogers Z06 numbers are incredible .
Unfortunately, my RX-8 was "broken" when I had it dyno'd. When replacing the coils the weekend before, I broke off a vacuum line that goes to the airbox. I didn't think much about it and just ordered a replacement part from Mazda.

When some "RX-8 gurus" looked over my dyno graph, they commented that peak power should have been made in the 7-9K range, while my power curve was flat at that point. Turns out the vacuum line I broke off opens up the Fresh Air Duct (FAD) at 7,250rpms which shortens in the intake runner path for the high rpm "power mode". So I not only had a small amount of air getting into the intake after the MAF, the FAD didn't not open above 7K rpms.

Looks like I'll be giving Kevin @ PAS a call later this month to get my car re-dyno'd for a true baseline. As luck would have it, the parts from Mazda arrived Saturday afternoon when I got back home! I replaced the part in 35º weather yesterday (not fun!) and she should be running like normal right now.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: pipefitter on March 02, 2009, 05:17:26 PM
Actually, I can't even SEE the links. All I have is the "Roger Garrett's C6 Z06" type of thing. Nothing there for me to click on. ???


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: JCHVMSC on March 02, 2009, 06:28:33 PM
emailed the all to you

John


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on March 06, 2009, 10:05:38 PM
Actually, I can't even SEE the links. All I have is the "Roger Garrett's C6 Z06" type of thing. Nothing there for me to click on. ???

Make sure you are logged and try again. You cannot see them unless you are logged in.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ccann26 on March 13, 2009, 06:16:50 PM

 Just got the dyno graphs today . I never supplied PAS with an email address .

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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on March 13, 2009, 07:21:10 PM
Pretty impressive for a car rated at a little less than it dynoed. If I recall correctly, it just has a CAI and a reflash that doesn't increase boost.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ccann26 on March 14, 2009, 03:59:50 PM
I was under the assumption it did at first but I've read stock boosts up to 19.5 which i've never personally seen reason I asked Kevin to dyno it in 5th was because you can feel more power in that gear on the interstate just curious really . turns out theres a big difference . The only thing I can say positive about the tune is that it holds to redline a little bit better , but I'll let the graphs speak . Here's the best "hp base vs best hp tune" and closest comparison "base to tune" both actually in 4th gear on the later. 

 I did max smoothing on both so i could make some sense of them .

I know the dynographs are both in SAE but the base tune was 30 degree's warmer outside .

personally I think the best thing the tuner is for so far is to clear CEL's lol .

both in blue are tuned maps both red are stock maps  first graph is 5th gear "blue" vs 4th "red"


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Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ccann26 on March 14, 2009, 04:09:47 PM
  the speed3 could very well be underated from the factory . Road and track said "263 bhp at 5500 rpm and 280 lb.-ft. of torque at 3000 rpm give this bronc some serious "giddyup," with a midrange that punches harder than anything in its class. The power drops clear off the map at 6000 rpm, irking a few editors on staff since it's useless to run the engine up to its 6750-rpm redline,

263 bhp at 5500 rpm and 280 lb.-ft. of torque at 3000 rpm  I would hardly believe tq on a turbo car would stop at 3000 .

 You can see a difference when comparing the stock vs tune after 5500 seems to hold the throttle open a bit longer but thats the only thing I see different . Thinking about getting that turbo-back exhaust put on and running in DSP . Only thing is this car is worthless without traction and a decent driver and I don't have either haha


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: wahoo5 on March 14, 2009, 09:08:18 PM
How bad is the torque steer? I am amazed how bad it is in the Mini without nearly as much power as you have.

David


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: Mugami on March 15, 2009, 04:05:40 AM
im surprized you have any torq steer at all in the Mini. but yeah im interested in that question as well.


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ccann26 on March 15, 2009, 10:05:45 AM
The electronic nannies do a pretty good job clearing that up . Usually if you get on it hard its noticeable if there is good traction nothing unmanageable though . It took a little getting used to taking corners + hard  exceleration and having to physically straighten the steering wheel back out with the DSC off .  It has extra reinforcement around the floor and center tunnel , across the strut towers a torque sensing limited slip , equal length reinforced drive shafts and somehow the ECU robs it of torque in 1,2,3rd gears probably why the car feels like it has more power in each successive gear .

 my 95 mecury sable used to do the same thing around corners though . So its actually really good


Title: Re: Dyno Day
Post by: ccann26 on March 15, 2009, 10:09:46 AM
How bad is the torque steer? I am amazed how bad it is in the Mini without nearly as much power as you have.

David

 I thought it was bad going from an 88 rx7 to the 95 sable lol . the Rx7 would go around corners like its back wheels actually turned with the front it handled so well , then I had to fight with the sable or just learn how to drive slow witch i did .