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Title: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 15, 2008, 09:56:04 AM
For those of you that have not heard of this, it is a 24 hours race of $500 beaters. I've been wanting to get a team together for the last few years, but have not. I'd like to try to get a VMSC entry for 2009. Anyone interested? Hopefully the 2009 schedule will be out soon.

We will need to build a car and have 4-6 eligible drivers. Each driver will need to be willing to contribute towards the entry, which is $500 per car, $100 per driver. So probably about $200-$300 each. But think of how much fun this would be for a weekend on track! Rules are available here:

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/rules/

Post here if you'd be interested in being part of this. Last year the closest one was in South Carolina in July. We could probably camp on site to save money.

Oh yeah, we would need to find a suitable <$500 car. I'd like everyone to be a part of the build in some way, but I am willing to buy the car if necessary...LOL.

I created a quick MySpace page and will update as things come together. Add as a friend if you are on there!

http://www.myspace.com/vmsclemons24


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 15, 2008, 10:55:37 AM
Guess we'd need something like this...LOL.

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/880103031.html


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on October 15, 2008, 05:45:59 PM
This is something I've wanted to be involved with for at least a year.  I was offered a spot on a team back in the Spring but had to turn it down, and we were toying with the idea of a work-team before my job went south, but I would LOVE to be a part of a VMSC effort.

Unfortunately the timing couldn't be worse for me, but I really hope there are enough other VMSC folks who would like to get involved with this.  I would really like to think this is something we can do and repeat.  It would bring publicity to the club, too.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on October 15, 2008, 09:10:13 PM
willing to donate my beater for this.. . Just come by pick it up.. Run the crap out of it.. to see if u like it for long run. ( I never really ran it more than 6 hour straight.)  If you think It won't work .. just give it back =)
 


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 16, 2008, 07:04:59 AM
Thanks Tony. We may take you up on this...LOL. Keep in mind, the car will need a cage and have all glass other than the windshield removed.

I'm hoping Scott W., Ben, and the rest of maniacal can get into this as well. I'll try to keep this at the top until next year to see who else may want to be part of the action.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on October 16, 2008, 04:06:05 PM
Fine with me.. i can always run it in FSP if need be.  Oh and who know i may have a another jetta for parts soon.  To bad its and Automatic, and no its not Bills


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: pipefitter on October 19, 2008, 11:51:24 AM
Is the schedule for 2009 up yet? Depending on when in July, I may want in.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on October 20, 2008, 03:52:12 AM
I would love to be part of the team.  Does selling parts from a car give you credits towards the price (edit - oooo, I just read the rules...it does!)?

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/858930355.html - this would be good if we could put some tires on it...oh, and fix the timing belt

I also know that Keath recently got Glenn's old Civic for free and wants to turn it into a car for Hillclimbs.  That could be ideal since it needs a cage anyways...Keath, what do you say?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 20, 2008, 08:01:35 AM
This could be fun. Glen's Civic would be perfect!!!! Can't guarantee it'd make it back in 1 piece though. ;)

We'd need a couple sets of 200 treadwear tires too. What is a fast tire with that treadwear? This could be fun. I'll update the thread when they post the schedules for next year.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 20, 2008, 08:04:27 AM
I would love to be part of the team.  Does selling parts from a car give you credits towards the price (edit - oooo, I just read the rules...it does!)?

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/858930355.html - this would be good if we could put some tires on it...oh, and fix the timing belt

I also know that Keath recently got Glenn's old Civic for free and wants to turn it into a car for Hillclimbs.  That could be ideal since it needs a cage anyways...Keath, what do you say?

That wouldn't be a bad one either. We could sell off the interior if it is nice to recoup money.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on October 20, 2008, 10:45:32 AM
We can sell seats, carpet, AC parts, misc electrics, interior trim, exterior trim, glass, lights, body panels (at least trade them for someone else's beat up one plus some cash)...

The more I read about this, the less I would plan on bringing the car back from the race (Tony - does your offer still stand?).  It sounds like a ton of fun.  A cage, harness and tires are probably going to be the largest expenses on top of the car.  I would err on the side of safety and go a little overkill with the cage.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 20, 2008, 11:22:26 AM
Here is an example of what it'd be like. Scared yet?  8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGZ8bQz3wJY

Actually, here is a very good driver at the South Carolina (Carolina Motorsports Park) event from this year. Looks fun!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Kd3wEVQJs&feature=related


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on October 20, 2008, 12:21:46 PM
We can sell seats, carpet, AC parts, misc electrics, interior trim, exterior trim, glass, lights, body panels (at least trade them for someone else's beat up one plus some cash)...

The more I read about this, the less I would plan on bringing the car back from the race (Tony - does your offer still stand?).  It sounds like a ton of fun.  A cage, harness and tires are probably going to be the largest expenses on top of the car.  I would err on the side of safety and go a little overkill with the cage.

I have a spare 6-pt harness that I could lend, along with a spare seat.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 20, 2008, 12:51:54 PM
Sweet. As a club, I think we can make this happen quite effectively if everyone lends a hand.

Thanks so far to Adrian and Tony for the offers! :)

Keath....you able to assist with graphics?

Once the schedule is posted, I'll move forward with the car purchase/prep. Hopefully they will have another east coast event. If not this may all be for naught.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on October 22, 2008, 12:18:42 AM
yes my offer still stands. This is the last year i plan on keeping up with the inspection. (expires in december). After this the car was going to be a throw away and or stripped down for a few autox.  I can keep it around sitting in the yard (starting and moving it every now and then).

So if it happens not to come back from the race. (brought by another driver) Im fine with that as well. um just make sure you have the tools to remove Adrian's seat.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 22, 2008, 03:27:15 PM
yes my offer still stands. This is the last year i plan on keeping up with the inspection. (expires in december). After this the car was going to be a throw away and or stripped down for a few autox.  I can keep it around sitting in the yard (starting and moving it every now and then).

So if it happens not to come back from the race. (brought by another driver) Im fine with that as well. um just make sure you have the tools to remove Adrian's seat.

Alright, assuming it is running well enough to go 24 hours, looks like the Fleming Motorsports/VMSC/Ahamos Volkswagen Jetta will be the choice for entry. Still assuming there will be an East coast event next year, a prebuilt cage is around $1k. What do local shops charge for U-Car and Grand Sport cages for Southside Speedway? Also we will need to gather up a couple more sets of 4 x 100mm wheels and suitable 190 or higher treadwear tires. We will need canisters for fuel, water etc... We will also need to find a suitable truck and trailer to haul everything down. We may want to get spares for break rotors, hubs, hoses, etc... Just putting everything out there so people can brainstorm. Worse comes to worst, I can rent a tow dolly from U-Haul and yank it down with the Grand Cherokee, although that would be a stretch.

We should try for 6 drivers and others for support/wrenching. Justin, Bill you guys have first dibs on the driver spots. I'm sure as this comes together, more people will know what there situation is. I think we can get a nice team together.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on October 22, 2008, 05:38:21 PM
Hey, those Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Specs have a treadwear rating of 200  ;)

Cheap 15" 4x100 wheels should be easy to come by.  Steelies always work and are easy to repair, should one get bent.  I'll be happy to work on the car as well as drive.  The race should actually be ~13 hours.  check out the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Hours_of_LeMons


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on October 22, 2008, 05:59:23 PM
I also have:  truck & trailer, 2 fuel jugs, plenty of tools, SFI racing suit, and a big winch to pull the wreckage back onto the trailer.

I'm going to be a stingy bastard right out of the gate, though:  If I'm available to go at all, I want to drive.  I'm really looking for some door-to-door experience, and frankly I'd rather do it for the first time in a $500 jalopy than my pretty orange toy.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 23, 2008, 06:17:54 AM
I also have:  truck & trailer, 2 fuel jugs, plenty of tools, SFI racing suit, and a big winch to pull the wreckage back onto the trailer.

I'm going to be a stingy bastard right out of the gate, though:  If I'm available to go at all, I want to drive.  I'm really looking for some door-to-door experience, and frankly I'd rather do it for the first time in a $500 jalopy than my pretty orange toy.

No doubt. If you can go, you can drive. I'm hoping to do a little fund raiser to assist us all in the experience.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on October 23, 2008, 07:52:56 AM
I was looking around for roll cage fabricators around Richmond and found Roll Cage Components, located in Powhatan.  They even have a specific page for a 24 Hours of LeMons cage: http://www.rollcagecomponents.com/kits7.htm

I wonder if they would be willing to sponsor us?  Let's see what the schedule for next year looks like and we can start planning in depth on what we need and how we can source it cheaply.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 23, 2008, 09:16:54 AM
Can one of the mods make this a sticky so it can remain up top until then?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on October 23, 2008, 06:36:00 PM
Sticky done.

Depending on the schedule, I might be up for it as well if you need more help.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on October 23, 2008, 09:50:40 PM
Also being the Lazy bum that i am.  I've had my Eye on this little junker for a bit after i get rid of the Jetta. http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1347015/U-Car-89-Ford-Escort-GT.html  . Since it already has all the safety gear, cage seat and preped for the run. im sure we can get the car for 500.00 then pay the guy 600 or less for the safety gear. 


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on October 24, 2008, 06:48:02 AM
Also being the Lazy bum that i am.  I've had my Eye on this little junker for a bit after i get rid of the Jetta. http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1347015/U-Car-89-Ford-Escort-GT.html  . Since it already has all the safety gear, cage seat and preped for the run. im sure we can get the car for 500.00 then pay the guy 600 or less for the safety gear. 

That is essentially a prebuilt lemons car...LOL.

David, You're welcome to join us as well. I'm not sure if there is a cap on drivers, since each one pays an entry fee. I think 6-7 would be great.

I'm hoping we can scrounge some miata wheels and tires from a junkyard. most of them are quite light and 4 x 100. I think the VW and Mazda centerbore is the same as well. Anyone know?

Here is something we should all read:

http://jalopnik.com/5067517/how-to-win-the-24-hours-of-lemons-three-top-racers-share-their-secrets


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on October 24, 2008, 11:13:01 AM
Miata centerbore is 54.1mm, I think.

Unfortunately I just unloaded a set of Kosei K1's that would have been perfect.  :(


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on October 24, 2008, 11:08:13 PM
the VW rims center bore is 1 mm bigger than that of a Mini. putting it around 57mm.  I had to modify the set of MINI Holey rims to make them fit.  I do have two sets of rims. 1 set of Steeles and 1 set of old BMW bottle caps in 14" that go with the car.  Oh and they do fit that Escort as well =P


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: danielg on November 05, 2008, 06:19:44 AM
I'd love to be on the team, too!  All I can offer is a set of my MINI's old wheels, some money, and lots of time wrenching. 


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 16, 2008, 05:19:53 PM
Got the 2009 schedule for Lemons today. Looks like there are two races at Carolina Motorsports Park.

Here's what's been locked down so far:

Feb 28-March 1: MSR Houston, Angleton TX
Apr 4-5: Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw SC
June 6-7: No Problem Raceway, Belle Rose LA
July 11-12: Stafford Motor Speedway, Stafford Springs CT
Sept 12-13: Carolina Motorsports Park, Kershaw SC
Oct 24-25: MSR Houston, Angleton TX
Nov 21-22: Thunderhill Raceway Park, Willows CA

Time to look at your calendars and see if you can do one or both of these dates. I'd like to try to get in on the April event if possible.

Time to zero in on a car!!! ;)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 17, 2008, 06:46:57 AM
April should work for me.  September is too far away to know for sure.  Are you going to be at the club meeting this Thursday?  We could have a mini-meeting of people who are interested before/after the regular meeting is done.

A couple key notes off the top of my head:

1) Where are we keeping the car?
2) Things we need that club members seem to have: seat, belts, wheels, labor, misc pit equipment
3) Things we need to buy: car, cage, tires, some people will need to buy safety gear


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 17, 2008, 09:40:11 AM
April should work for me.  September is too far away to know for sure.  Are you going to be at the club meeting this Thursday?  We could have a mini-meeting of people who are interested before/after the regular meeting is done.

A couple key notes off the top of my head:

1) Where are we keeping the car?
2) Things we need that club members seem to have: seat, belts, wheels, labor, misc pit equipment
3) Things we need to buy: car, cage, tires, some people will need to buy safety gear

We can keep the car at my house if necessary. I'm hoping since Ben has a welder and other necessities at his place, we can keep it there.

I'm hoping we can get some loaner drivers suits. They look to be WAYYYY expensive. That will be my biggest purchase if I have to buy one.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on November 17, 2008, 10:39:47 AM
April would probably work for me. I know a place I can ask about loaner driver's suits. I will need to have an idea of how many and size before I make the ask. Just after Christmas would be a good time for me to ask.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on November 17, 2008, 05:27:47 PM
hmm here is another racing junk special... even comes with a racing suit and helmet

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1324220/1991-Toyota-Celica-Hornet.html


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 18, 2008, 07:38:54 AM
I emailed the gentleman about the Celica. Looks like a good deal, but it is an old ad.

Looks like people interested in being on the team so far are:

Scott Hoffman
Justin Loehlein
David Ogburn
Scott Wagner
Ben Lawes

Possibly:

Daniel Gohlke
Adrian Amos
Bill Lloyd
Tony Fleming

Depending on how many actually can make it we may want two cars. What I'd like to do, if everyone thinks it is reasonable, is have everyone split the cost of the car and entry, and pay their $100 entry. This will probably be around $300 based in a 5 person team. we may want to get a meeting together to plan the car purchase and prep and get the application together to see if we are accepted to compete. This will need to happen soon. We can then work together to get all the parts, wheels, tires as we decide what is needed.

BTW - If we do 2 cars, drivers can run in both cars if needed, so we could probably do two teams with as few as 6-8 people.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 18, 2008, 09:54:33 AM
Depending on how many actually can make it we may want two cars. What I'd like to do, if everyone thinks it is reasonable, is have everyone split the cost of the car and entry, and pay their $100 entry. This will probably be around $300 based in a 5 person team.

I am assuming that in your $300/person quote you are adding $100 padding in, however if you read the LeMons website, the entry fee is "$500 per car + $100 per driver + $75 for non-drivers".  Unless they are including the cost of the car in the entry fee, which I highly doubt...this actually becomes $300/person just for a $500 car plus the entry fee (assuming 5 people).  Tires, safety equipment, etc will be added on top.  I would actually estimate this to cost $400-$500 per person.  The more people we get, the more we can spread around the cost of the car and the fixed part of the entry fee.

That Celica looks good...anything with a cage already in it will be great since they cost a bunch of money new.  Scott, are you coming to the membership meeting on Thursday?  We could have a mini-meeting with whoever shows up that is interested before/after the club meeting.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 18, 2008, 10:05:58 AM
I plan on coming Thursday. I'll try to get Ben and Scott to come as well. Yes the $300 does not include tires, wheels, and modifications. Just the initial cost of entry.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on November 18, 2008, 12:12:57 PM
I will be there as well. You may want to go ahead and try and collect like $500 per person so the funds are there to pull the trigger on a deal if one arises instead of chasing people around for the money. There is a group in NC on NSXPrime that is doing the same thing and they collected $500/person.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 18, 2008, 12:36:01 PM
That sounds reasonable. That way everyone puts enough funds aside to take care of anything that is needed. I have mine put away already.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: danielg on November 18, 2008, 05:31:07 PM
I'm game for this, and not just a possibly.

I can do $500 soon and will try to make it to the meeting.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on November 18, 2008, 07:09:26 PM
I'll try to make the meeting Thursday, too, and I'll bring some information on what it has cost to put the Miata together.

I'd suggest we start hunting for a cage-builder NOW.  This is the time of year to get one built, and the good ones tend to be very busy.

Oh, and I'm definitely more of a "Probably" than a "Possibly".


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 18, 2008, 08:08:17 PM
Great. We'll come up with a plan so everyone can play. :)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on November 18, 2008, 08:40:54 PM
From a quick look at the rules, buying a car with a cage could be a disadvantage as you can't spend more than $500 total for the car and anything you add to it EXCEPT safety equipment. See Rule 4. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/rules/ (http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/rules/). I guess you could apportion part of the purchase price to safety equipment, but you are risking BSF points and lost laps. See Rule 4.4.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 19, 2008, 05:18:19 AM
Here are a few links to cars I found on Craigslist.  Hondas are tempting, but I hear that they have a hard time finishing the races without blowing up, so I would put them at the bottom of the list.  I still really like that Celica, hopefully we hear back from him.  Second to that, I think Tony's VW makes the most sense.

Monte Carlo circle track car: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/906730199.html
94 Civic: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/908243946.html
92 Volvo 240: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/913977454.html
Postal Jeep (had to put this on here): http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/915368166.html
88 Caddy Sedan DeVille: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/924981375.html
94 Sentra: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/922712508.html
77 Lincoln Continental: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/921799665.html
84 Mercedes 190E, stick!: http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/917529689.html


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 19, 2008, 07:18:07 AM
Here are a few links to cars I found on Craigslist.  Hondas are tempting, but I hear that they have a hard time finishing the races without blowing up, so I would put them at the bottom of the list.  I still really like that Celica, hopefully we hear back from him.  Second to that, I think Tony's VW makes the most sense.

Monte Carlo circle track car: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/906730199.html
94 Civic: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/908243946.html
92 Volvo 240: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/913977454.html
Postal Jeep (had to put this on here): http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/915368166.html
88 Caddy Sedan DeVille: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/924981375.html
94 Sentra: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/922712508.html
77 Lincoln Continental: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/921799665.html
84 Mercedes 190E, stick!: http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/917529689.html

I saw that Sentra as a good one. They are bulletproof and quite quick, even in base form. I bet we could get it almost free. Anyone want to inquire about that?

Justin - which ones are you most comfortable working on? The Nissan should be pretty easy.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on November 19, 2008, 08:05:18 AM
The Monte Carlo looks like a badass option, as does the Sentra.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 19, 2008, 02:58:54 PM
Celica was sold.  :-\


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: danielg on November 19, 2008, 04:30:02 PM
Holy!  What about this: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/922129823.html


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 19, 2008, 05:11:25 PM
Holy!  What about this: http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/922129823.html

If we could get it for $400 and have money to get it fixed up.

Justin - wanna build a Firebird?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 19, 2008, 06:14:31 PM
I can work on just about anything...but I have never had to rebuild a carburetor before.  As much as that Benz would be pretty sweet, it is probably the hardest car to work on.  That goes for any European car.  The Sentra, Tony's Jetta, the Monte Carlo and the Firebird should all be pretty straightforward.

As far as the Firebird, I get a little leery about cars for sale with "new" engines.  I don't like finding/troubleshooting other people's install errors, but we've got time and it is cheap.  I lean towards 4 cylinder cars since they are more simple (less to go wrong) and should get 3-4x the gas mileage, but my bias is not very strong.  I'll be at the meeting tomorrow so we can discuss further at that time.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: danielg on November 19, 2008, 07:56:33 PM
I called the dude, the formula was sold this AM :(


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: danielg on November 19, 2008, 08:03:11 PM
what are the odds of talking this guy down $200 and selling $500 out of this car?

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/925976334.html
1989 Honda CRX - $1200 (Richmond)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on November 19, 2008, 08:09:30 PM
and yeah im still looking at racingjunk
http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1333601/1985-Chevy-Chevette-2dr-project-race-car.html


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: danielg on November 19, 2008, 08:10:53 PM
I can't make the meeting, I have to pick up someone from the airport at 8 PM. 

We should also look in a 2 hour radius, not just Richmond.  I'm sure someone can tow the car home.  I don't have the equipment to tow, but I'm willing to drive to get it.  Baltimore, DC, NoVA, Raleigh, VA Beach, Charlottesville.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 19, 2008, 08:37:13 PM
I'll call about the Sentra tomorrow if I have time. It also uses 4x100 wheels. If we find cars that both use the same size wheels we can use spares for both. Plus this is a cheap and readily available size.

I second the 4 cylinder car idea. less gas, lighter, less tire wear, usually handle better for less money.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: danielg on November 19, 2008, 10:06:51 PM
I have a set of stock 4x100 16" x-lites (not s-lites) from the MINI with some old Kumho V710s that can be donated to the cause.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: danielg on November 20, 2008, 07:17:30 AM
Until I'm told to stop, I'll just spam this thread with some CL postings.

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/926434991.html
190E MERCEDES BENZ - $450 (STERLING)
doesn't say if its an auto or not

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/926462196.html
ford festiva - $650 (stony creek)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 22, 2008, 05:50:03 AM
A little far, but this looks good: http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1338426/Race-ready-plymouth-laser.html

I think we are leaning towards the Sentra or Tony's car right now.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 22, 2008, 04:20:10 PM
Hmm, well I talked to the guy with the Sentra just now.  Apparently, it ran great and he was able to drive it all around the yard...until he cut the cat out for scrap and now it doesn't want to start.  Personally, I think that we should take a look at it, compression test the motor and see if we can get it started (he said he didn't try very hard).  The worst that happens is we walk away...the best is that we get it for super cheap.  Anyways, let me know if anyone wants to go look at it let me know.  We could meet up somewhere around lunch time and head over there.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on November 22, 2008, 05:44:47 PM
Maybe he also cut out the O2 sensor. Would that keep it from starting? I live in Short Pump. Anywhere between here and Charles City works for me. How about Buz and Ned's on the Boulevard? They open at noon on Sunday. <http://www.buzandneds.com/ (http://www.buzandneds.com/)>


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 22, 2008, 07:20:44 PM
Maybe he also cut out the O2 sensor. Would that keep it from starting? I live in Short Pump. Anywhere between here and Charles City works for me. How about Buz and Ned's on the Boulevard? They open at noon on Sunday. <http://www.buzandneds.com/ (http://www.buzandneds.com/)>

Buz and Ned's at noon sounds good to me.  He may have cut out the O2 sensor, but that shouldn't keep the car from starting.  It certainly wouldn't run well without one, but it should start.  We can take a look at it while we are there.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on November 22, 2008, 09:27:25 PM
I probably can't come out to meet you guys, but if you want to swing by, the comp checker is all yours.  If I can find it...


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 22, 2008, 10:46:59 PM
I probably can't come out to meet you guys, but if you want to swing by, the comp checker is all yours.  If I can find it...

Thanks, Adrian.  I'll probably just get another one since they are only like $20 and I'll need one sooner or later.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 23, 2008, 08:18:14 AM
Maybe he also cut out the O2 sensor. Would that keep it from starting? I live in Short Pump. Anywhere between here and Charles City works for me. How about Buz and Ned's on the Boulevard? They open at noon on Sunday. <http://www.buzandneds.com/ (http://www.buzandneds.com/)>

Buz and Ned's at noon sounds good to me.  He may have cut out the O2 sensor, but that shouldn't keep the car from starting.  It certainly wouldn't run well without one, but it should start.  We can take a look at it while we are there.

I'll meet you guys there as well.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 23, 2008, 02:26:21 PM
Eh, we went and looked at the Sentra and sure enough, it wouldn't start.  Compression was even (for a 15 year old car), but the motor wasn't getting any fuel.  I think the fuel pump was dead, it didn't feel like it was pumping anything through the lines and you couldn't hear it turn on.  The car did run well on starting fluid though.  Besides that, the front bearings were shot.  Even if we got the car for free, I think Tony's Jetta would be the better way to go.  We know it runs and drives and can take its fair share of abuse :)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on November 23, 2008, 09:34:54 PM
That and i just had the front bearing replaced. .. ill be ording a new rad for it next week.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on November 24, 2008, 12:16:27 PM
That and i just had the front bearing replaced. .. ill be ording a new rad for it next week.
Hey Tony, check your messages, I should have sent you one.  Thanks.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 24, 2008, 06:31:56 PM
These look nice.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories___NEW-Dropzone-lowering-springs-85-98-VW-Golf-Jetta_W0QQitemZ120312224730QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item120312224730&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories___NEW-Dropzone-lowering-springs-85-98-VW-Golf-Jetta_W0QQitemZ120312224730QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item120312224730&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/85-98-VW-GOLF-GTI-JETTA-1-8L-2-0L-8V-HEADER-86-87-92-93_W0QQitemZ200280008124QQihZ010QQcategoryZ33631QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/85-98-VW-GOLF-GTI-JETTA-1-8L-2-0L-8V-HEADER-86-87-92-93_W0QQitemZ200280008124QQihZ010QQcategoryZ33631QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: getfast on November 25, 2008, 12:40:51 PM

I'd suggest we start hunting for a cage-builder NOW.  This is the time of year to get one built, and the good ones tend to be very busy.


Adrenaline Autoworks on Hull St. is doing cages for $100 a point.

http://www.adrenalineautoworks.com/pages.php?pid=2

No affiliation, and I haven't yet seen any of their cage work, but it's certainly worth looking into.

Hope it helps,

Jon
ps- I may know where a 5-speed '86ish 325e can be had for like $400.  It's ugly, the interior is trashed, and it needs a windshield, but it runs and drives just fine.  PERFECT for Lemons.  ;)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on November 26, 2008, 09:37:46 AM
How about a 5 spd Taurus SHO?

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/942329569.html


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 05, 2008, 08:10:32 AM
Or a '95 Crown Vic Cop car!

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/945167865.html


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on December 05, 2008, 06:19:51 PM
Interesting. Justin knows how to work on 'em. No little Honda is going to push you off in a corner.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 06, 2008, 06:21:08 PM
Hey guys,

I think Tony's Jetta is probably still the way to go.  If you guys agree I can get an axle for it and we can meet up and replace it next weekend or Dec 22nd/23rd.  We could go over the rest of the car at the same time.

Tony, I am assuming it is still at your house with a broken CV?  Do you have a garage?  What year and model is the car?

-Justin


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on December 07, 2008, 07:01:54 AM
yep going shopping today for the axle.. going to check at pepboys its where i bought it for only 50.00 last time. and yeah it was the same axle. that was broke 3 years ago.

its a 1987 jetta Mk II   GL.  with an 8valve motor. 1.8  with vin number 1vwga0165hv017466 

If that helps with the looking for parts. Oh and btw I allready have lowering springs for the car.
Also have a Garage .. messy but workable


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 07, 2008, 10:11:27 AM
I'm cool with the Jetta. I thought of a cool team name today. jettaBlues.....done in jetBlue airlines motif!


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on December 07, 2008, 10:27:44 AM
Sounds good to me, too.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 07, 2008, 07:57:24 PM
yep going shopping today for the axle.. going to check at pepboys its where i bought it for only 50.00 last time. and yeah it was the same axle. that was broke 3 years ago.

its a 1987 jetta Mk II   GL.  with an 8valve motor. 1.8  with vin number 1vwga0165hv017466 

If that helps with the looking for parts. Oh and btw I allready have lowering springs for the car.
Also have a Garage .. messy but workable

Hey Tony, thanks for the info.  Maybe we should carry a spare set of axles with us if the one that broke was replaced a few years ago.  The only real thing that worries me about the Jetta is the cooling issue.  I was reading and it looks like we can mount a 2 row aluminum radiator from a diesel Jetta ($99 from Advance Auto) which should help immensely.  That and a new thermostat should be able to keep the thing cool.  If we all agree on the car, I think we should get together next weekend and make sure it has good compression before going any further.  Assuming it does we can replace the axle and start going through everything else.  I have a list of stuff to do that should keep us busy for a while ;)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on December 07, 2008, 08:20:10 PM
Works for me too. Scott, we will need JetBlue sponsorship money for that name!

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on December 08, 2008, 03:38:20 AM
yep going shopping today for the axle.. going to check at pepboys its where i bought it for only 50.00 last time. and yeah it was the same axle. that was broke 3 years ago.

its a 1987 jetta Mk II   GL.  with an 8valve motor. 1.8  with vin number 1vwga0165hv017466 

If that helps with the looking for parts. Oh and btw I allready have lowering springs for the car.
Also have a Garage .. messy but workable

Hey Tony, thanks for the info.  Maybe we should carry a spare set of axles with us if the one that broke was replaced a few years ago.  The only real thing that worries me about the Jetta is the cooling issue.  I was reading and it looks like we can mount a 2 row aluminum radiator from a diesel Jetta ($99 from Advance Auto) which should help immensely.  That and a new thermostat should be able to keep the thing cool.  If we all agree on the car, I think we should get together next weekend and make sure it has good compression before going any further.  Assuming it does we can replace the axle and start going through everything else.  I have a list of stuff to do that should keep us busy for a while ;)

fine with me im off on wensdays and sundays.. u can reach me at 559-0986 on those days


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on December 08, 2008, 05:48:06 PM
the new axle will be in tomorrow.. cost was 59.95. Rad will be up to you guys.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 09, 2008, 09:57:12 AM
I submitted our entry today. Team name is JettaBlues. I can always change it if necessary.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 11, 2008, 02:43:39 PM
You guys wanna get together on Sunday then?  I am free...Tony, what time works for you?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 11, 2008, 03:17:14 PM
I'll see how things look. Got a bunch of stuff going on.

Good news though. I am buying Brents wheels with Falkens and Wagner has a set of wheels with Azenis 215's as well that fit. That is two sets of performance tires right there, mounted and ready to go. Both sets are 200 treadwear!


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ricarson on December 11, 2008, 03:53:00 PM
Scott,

I've got an old set of falken RT215, 205 50 15 tires with about 4/32 tread that you can have for your project if you think you can come up with some 15" wheels.  They're at my house, along with the wheels you bought from Brent.

Rick


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on December 11, 2008, 04:14:39 PM
anytime after 9am is good

btw justin i already started my yearly tear the garage appart and re-organize everything. since they get scattered around alot. for safety bring sockets and 6mm allen wrench. Its not that I dont have them just dont know exactly where they are. hmm or yes i may not have them (6mm or certain size sockets) come to think about it. wont know untill i finish resetting everything.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 11, 2008, 05:37:06 PM
Scott,

I've got an old set of falken RT215, 205 50 15 tires with about 4/32 tread that you can have for your project if you think you can come up with some 15" wheels.  They're at my house, along with the wheels you bought from Brent.

Rick

Sounds good Rick. Thanks.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on December 11, 2008, 08:59:19 PM
You guys wanna get together on Sunday then?  I am free...Tony, what time works for you?

I can't help this Sunday. Feel free to go without me.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 12, 2008, 06:18:47 AM
Alright, I will at least come over and start poking and prodding and get that axle in so that the car is driveable again.  Tony,can you PM me your address?  I will bring tools...I am assuming you have a power outlet that I can plug my air compressor into?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on December 12, 2008, 08:47:05 PM
Compressor i got, with impact and wrench.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 13, 2008, 06:43:49 AM
Excellent...I'll see you between 10 and 11.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 14, 2008, 12:10:08 PM
Update: I compression checked the car and the numbers were amazingly good.  They were between 180 and 200psi on all cylinders.  Unfortunately, the axle that was ordered was incorrect (it was ordered correctly, the wrong part came in the box though), so the car isn't together yet.  I am going to try and find some time this week after work to put the correct one in and get the car driving again.

I can bring the car to my house after working on it, on one condition.  Danielle says in exchange for looking like hillbilly white trash with 5 cars (a couple of them being multi-colored) in front of our house we need to chip in and pay for her entry fee as a non-driver.  If you guys are cool with that, I can bring the car to my house and we can work on it here in my garage, until we find somewhere better to put it (if that ever happens).  That way, on sleepless nights I can keep myself busy tearing the interior out and doing random stuff to make the car more reliable.

Scott, are you going to be the one who buys the car and puts your name on the paperwork?  We should probably get that worked out pretty soon.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on December 14, 2008, 05:20:46 PM
Thanks for doing this. I am fine with chipping in for Danielle's fee. Putting it at my house would extract a far bigger price!

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 14, 2008, 08:39:05 PM
Update: I compression checked the car and the numbers were amazingly good.  They were between 180 and 200psi on all cylinders.  Unfortunately, the axle that was ordered was incorrect (it was ordered correctly, the wrong part came in the box though), so the car isn't together yet.  I am going to try and find some time this week after work to put the correct one in and get the car driving again.

I can bring the car to my house after working on it, on one condition.  Danielle says in exchange for looking like hillbilly white trash with 5 cars (a couple of them being multi-colored) in front of our house we need to chip in and pay for her entry fee as a non-driver.  If you guys are cool with that, I can bring the car to my house and we can work on it here in my garage, until we find somewhere better to put it (if that ever happens).  That way, on sleepless nights I can keep myself busy tearing the interior out and doing random stuff to make the car more reliable.

Scott, are you going to be the one who buys the car and puts your name on the paperwork?  We should probably get that worked out pretty soon.
Sure I'll be the owner. What is the final purchase price and should I put tags on it since we will want to drive it around while we get it all setup. I assume we will all be chipping in to cover everything? I'm cool with us paying $50 for storage fees. ;)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on December 15, 2008, 01:31:37 AM
Tags are good till the end of Jan 09 and im keeping insurance on it.. inspection has run out though. as for the title if it needs to be in another name to show that it was purchased for 500 and under. (currently shows 700) then we can do a title change. Again im Donating the car for the event and general VMSC use if it survives.  After the event.. I'm Planning on buying some Cheap racing seats to put in it .. Since Ahmos would most likly want his back


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 15, 2008, 05:26:10 AM
Ah, good, we've got plenty of time then to figure out what to do with ownership.  Tony, I'll give you a call tonight to see if the axle came in.  I can probably work on it today.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Autox on December 15, 2008, 02:34:55 PM

Keath....you able to assist with graphics?


I am sure I can help out with Graphics... Wouldn't mind a shot at one of them drivers spots either.

As far as Glenn's car, it has a cage and no interior but I haven't gotten it yet.  He has been pretty busy and hasn't had a chance to return my calls.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Autox on December 15, 2008, 02:38:16 PM
I also have a set of Miata wheels for the Civic when I get it that could probably we used.

I also have an RV with a trailer that can easily tow and lemon we take as well as sleep 2-4 additional people depending on how friendly/short you might be.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Autox on December 15, 2008, 02:40:50 PM
My house is an option for storage as well.  I have a welder, concrete drive and lots of tools including air.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Autox on December 15, 2008, 02:45:19 PM
Man, looks like I have missed a lot of buzz being laid up at home sick


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 15, 2008, 05:22:38 PM
As I said earlier, we may want to enter 2 cars. All the other costs would be the same. Want to build the Civic, since it is part of the way there. Including you I thik we'd be at 8 drivers.

Me, Justin, David, Adrian, Daniel, Scott W., Ben Lawes, and yourself. We can do double duty between the cars if necessary. Either way I'm sure we can get you in on the festivities.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 16, 2008, 04:43:27 AM
Jeff seemed interested as well.

Tony and I got the axle in the Jetta last night.  I am going to move it to my house sometime over the next week.  I will be home next Monday and Tuesday all day.  Any of you guys wanna come over one day and we can start tearing it apart, taking roll cage measurements and stuff like that?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on December 16, 2008, 08:21:38 AM
I can do Tuesday. Monday is iffy at this point. Work keeps interfering with life.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on December 16, 2008, 08:52:40 PM
Either way I'm sure we can get you in on the festivities.

Hmm as Justin found out the Jetta has quite a large trunk.. im sure we can fit aleast 3-4 bodies in there.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 22, 2008, 05:28:58 AM
I am going to try and get the car to my house today and go get a bunch of parts.  Anyone who wants to come work on it can come over Tuesday after 10am.  Call or PM me for directions or an address.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on December 22, 2008, 04:20:21 PM
i see you got it.. the bmw rims are in the trunk. if you havent looked yet.  hopefully you didnt need to use the air compressor I left on the passenger seat just incase.

Sorry i cant help tomorrow i have to work. (that and its to dang cold for me) any other questions on it feel free to ask here or send me an email


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 23, 2008, 04:13:03 PM
i see you got it.. the bmw rims are in the trunk. if you havent looked yet.  hopefully you didnt need to use the air compressor I left on the passenger seat just incase.

Sorry i cant help tomorrow i have to work. (that and its to dang cold for me) any other questions on it feel free to ask here or send me an email

Yeah, I came and got it and it did have a flat, so thanks for leaving the compressor in the seat.  David and I stripped most of the interior today, only the dash is still in.  I also replaced a couple of vacuum lines and the car appears to idle much more consistently when it is cold.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 23, 2008, 09:06:59 PM
Nice work guys. Sorry I had to work. What's next as far as prep goes?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 24, 2008, 12:28:49 PM
Nice work guys. Sorry I had to work. What's next as far as prep goes?

Thanks, even better news is that it is now much easier to start cold with the correct vacuum lines connected.  David will know what I am talking about next time he sees it.  We got some rough measurements for the cage and will definitely need to get on that pretty quickly.  Besides that there are some electrical connections that need cleaning up and I need to re-do the cooling system.  I will be home on Saturday afternoon and probably flush the coolant a few times if it is over 40 degrees out.

Do you want to have a meeting with everyone interested soon?  We need to figure out who is in and whether or not we will have one or two teams.  If there is going to be a second team they need to get a car going ASAP.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 24, 2008, 12:39:09 PM
Meeting - Maybe next weekend after all the holiday stuff is over. I'll mention it to Wagner tonight.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on December 24, 2008, 09:52:39 PM
I can do Saturday, but not Sunday. I fall goes as planned I will be delivering the Crossle to the new owner on Sunday. Will be back Tuesday. The weekend after New Years I can do Saturday morning (have to finish by 11:30) or Sunday.

Justin, glad the vacuum lines fixed the idling issue. We knew the vacuum was not right, but couldn't easily see what the correct configuration was. We also need to replace the valve cover gasket.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 28, 2008, 12:10:53 PM
Vehicle update:

  • New radiator and oil cooler are on along with a new thermostat, hoses and belts
  • I stripped all of the underhood AC stuff out
  • I also changed the oil and shook down the suspension, the front end feels pretty solid
  • I left the original fan on there for now and it seems to be running alright
  • I kept the old hoses and extra oil cooler hose for spares

Anyways, the car starts up very easily now and idles well, even when it is cold.  I will do some research on what needs to come off to replace the valve cover gasket.  At first glance it looks like the whole timing cover may need to come off as well, but I didn't look at it that long. 

Tony, do you know when the timing belt was last done?

Edit: I had to put the AC compressor back in because the alternator belt runs off of it.  I though I could just bypass it, but the Jettas with AC have a different alternator pulley which can only be run from the compressor.  If we can find an alternator pulley from a non-AC Jetta we can pull the compressor back out which cleans up the engine bay and gets rid of ~20lbs.  I snooped around Chesterfield Auto Parts, but couldn't find one.  I did pick up a set of dual fans off an old Audi though.  We will need to figure out how to mount them, but they are the right size for the Jetta radiator.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on December 28, 2008, 11:15:29 PM
WOW. Thanks, Justin. Let me know if you want my help with anything this week. I am off most of the week.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 29, 2008, 07:07:38 AM
WOW. Thanks, Justin. Let me know if you want my help with anything this week. I am off most of the week.

David

Thanks, David.  I am working Monday through Wednesday, so I will probably not do too much on the Jetta.  There is some small stuff to be done here and there (fuel filter, gearbox oil, re-route some of the new vacuum lines, figure out how to run brake cooling ducts) which I will do as I get time.  If anyone wants to work on the car or even just drive it around to get a feel for it, they are more than welcome to come over anytime Thursday-Sunday.  I will probably be busy cleaning up from Christmas and doing some work on my Civic which I have been putting off, but I can help out when needed.

Scott, any word on a meeting?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 29, 2008, 07:47:00 AM
Let's choose a date and see what everyone says. Should we try for the weekend of the 10th and 11th? Nice work on getting the car running well.


BTW - I hope you guys are saving the receipts. I will work up a spreadsheet and make everything all legit.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on December 29, 2008, 08:59:51 AM
Let's choose a date and see what everyone says. Should we try for the weekend of the 10th and 11th? Nice work on getting the car running well.

BTW - I hope you guys are saving the receipts. I will work up a spreadsheet and make everything all legit.

Oh, I've got a bunch of receipts :)  The weekend of the 10th and 11th works for me.  I have no plans so far so any time would be fine.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on December 29, 2008, 02:44:32 PM
ditto so far for me on the 10 and or 11th. 

No clue on the timing belt as in when it was done.

Also I would take Justin advise and to drop by to get a feel for the Tranny on the Jetta. If you never driven and old VW First gear is a PITA to find.

I do have plans this weekend to look at a barn find that i got wind of. For a project in Autox or maybe a Dark horse for later Lemons events.

What is it you may ask. well untill i get a good look at it. I dont want to say cause i may not get it if its not as advertised to me. What i will say is that it was built in the 70's , Its small, May have a Very BIG V8(as suggested by owner), Currently setup for Drag racing(again this is from how the owner was describing whats on and whats not on the car) with a name when said to a person. That person gives you a funny look and states A WHAT?!?!?

oh and yeah the owner is willing to give it to me for free just to get it out of his barn.



Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on December 29, 2008, 09:34:21 PM
10th or 11th is fine. Let me know.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: WWHEEE on December 30, 2008, 07:38:42 AM
I thought I'd wait for 100+ posts before I jumped in!

If you guys need a couple more hands...let me know!  I'd be interested in helping/driving/laughing...whatever!

-Rich


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on December 31, 2008, 02:29:10 PM
Second team car perhaps?

Running Porsche 928:

http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/975814940.html


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 04, 2009, 05:54:11 PM
10th or 11th is fine. Let me know.

David

I 'd like to shoot for Sunday the 11th. Maybe around 1:00? What location would work best for everyone? Do we have a list fo everyone's phone numbers? I can call Ben and Scott. I figure we will get everyone we can together, go over our plan, decide on a down payment and when it is due. We should hopefully be able to determine at the meeting whether a second team is necessary. Please post here if you can make it, so we know who is still in.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 04, 2009, 08:55:14 PM
I should be able to make it.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on January 04, 2009, 10:24:46 PM
Works for me.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 05, 2009, 04:43:08 AM
I can make it.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 05, 2009, 06:53:52 AM
Should we just choose a good lunch spot and have lunch and meeting to follow? I'm up for most anything.

I also sent a Facebook event reminder to everyone.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 06, 2009, 05:57:53 PM
Anyone have any recomendations for Sunday. Keath has offered up his house if we choose not to grab lunch somewhere.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on January 06, 2009, 06:41:50 PM
Casa Grande in Short Pump. They are good about accommodating groups.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 06, 2009, 06:43:22 PM
Casa Grande in Short Pump. They are good about accommodating groups.

David

Mmmmmm....Mexican! I'm game. Anyone else?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 10, 2009, 02:20:57 PM
If nobody else speaks up let's meet at Casa Grande tomorrow at 1:00pm:

http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Casa+Grande+in+Short+Pump,+va&fb=1&split=1&view=text&latlng=18044179588593602363


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 12, 2009, 11:08:40 AM

Adrenaline Autoworks on Hull St. is doing cages for $100 a point.

http://www.adrenalineautoworks.com/pages.php?pid=2

No affiliation, and I haven't yet seen any of their cage work, but it's certainly worth looking into.

Hope it helps,

Jon
ps- I may know where a 5-speed '86ish 325e can be had for like $400.  It's ugly, the interior is trashed, and it needs a windshield, but it runs and drives just fine.  PERFECT for Lemons.  ;)

Spoke to Rick there today. He is looking to get us in soon. Price is now $150 per point. He said should be around $1k and they will install. Is this ok?

EDIT: Jeff spoke to someone who may be half this price. Justin - he sent you the information via email. Let us know your thoughts.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 12, 2009, 06:41:09 PM
I wouldn't get Adrenaline Autoworks to do it.  Stock Car Products would be fine, I would still call Roll Cage Components and see if they will donate a cage or labor.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 13, 2009, 09:46:44 AM
I wouldn't get Adrenaline Autoworks to do it.  Stock Car Products would be fine, I would still call Roll Cage Components and see if they will donate a cage or labor.

I say we go with the known commodity. Can you get it to RCC and see what they say? If not, I can bring it next monday or over the weekend.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 13, 2009, 12:00:38 PM
I'll try and bring it down there some time.  I typically get to work before they open and leave after they have closed, so I'll have to drop it off after hours to give them a chance to look at it.  Is anyone available between 6pm and 8pm some time this week to drop it off with me?  Or if someone is available during the day to take it during business hours I can let you pick it up from my house.

On another note, who is signing up for the Track Daze March 2-3 event? 

edit - hmm, I just saw that this is on a Monday and Tuesday.  I haven't made up my mind on whether or not I want to use vacation days to do this.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 13, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
I'll try and bring it down there some time.  I typically get to work before they open and leave after they have closed, so I'll have to drop it off after hours to give them a chance to look at it.  Is anyone available between 6pm and 8pm some time this week to drop it off with me?  Or if someone is available during the day to take it during business hours I can let you pick it up from my house.

On another note, who is signing up for the Track Daze March 2-3 event?  I plan on signing up this week.

Why don't we take it to the NASA circuit cross. It is the 22nd of Feb on the Patriot course. Only $80.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 13, 2009, 05:17:17 PM
Update: I dropped the car off at Stock Car Products for them to give an estimate on the cage.

Do you get consecutive laps in a Circuit Cross?  I don't know if I will be able to go, but if anyone else wants to take the car let me know and you can pick it up beforehand.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on January 13, 2009, 09:10:35 PM
Dave and I did the circuit cross on the Patriot course last year, but it was ultimately rained out. As I recall, there were a number of warmup laps by class with no passing, but the timed laps were all solo laps.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 14, 2009, 11:29:32 AM
Alright, we got an estimate on the cage from Stock Car Products.  For a 6 point cage made out of 1.75" x .095" HREW tubing with NASCAR door bars we are looking at $310 for the steel and either $420 or $700 for labor depending on whether we want it bolted or welded to the car.  If everyone is fine spending an additional $50, I would rather get it welded.  They said they can get it done in about 4 days and can start on it whenever we pay them.

What are everyone's thoughts?  Given their short turnaround, we could wait until we hear about being accepted.  That would give time to shop around some more if we wanted to as well.

Let me know and I can go pick the car up...or leave it there and have them start on the cage, if that is what everyone wants.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 14, 2009, 04:45:30 PM
2 questions:

1. Can they provide any references (other cages they've built)?

2. Are you comfortable with HREW tubing?  Very few sanctioning bodies allow it, and the LeMons folks strongly recommend DOM...  Did they give you a price for DOM?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 14, 2009, 05:08:32 PM
2 questions:

1. Can they provide any references (other cages they've built)?

2. Are you comfortable with HREW tubing?  Very few sanctioning bodies allow it, and the LeMons folks strongly recommend DOM...  Did they give you a price for DOM?

Good point. I'm pretty sure Adrenaline uses DOM and their price is similar.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 14, 2009, 06:02:55 PM
I'm not too worried about the tubing since we shouldn't be going that fast.  From the website, it looks like they only use HREW, I can call and see if they can make one out of DOM and how much that would be and get any references as well.  Scott, can you check with Adrenaline?  Check on their timelines too.  I have been down there and their shop is VERY small, but if they can do a full 6 point cage for $900 out of DOM that sounds like the better deal.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 15, 2009, 06:02:13 AM
I'll call them today.

Spoke to Rick at Adrenaline. We can drop the car off on the 31st of January. $900 installed using DOM. Should be done in a week or so. They will need a 50% deposit ($450).


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on January 15, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
That sounds good. When do you expect we will hear whether our application is accepted?

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 15, 2009, 10:40:33 AM
I'll call them today.

Spoke to Rick at Adrenaline. We can drop the car off on the 31st of January. $900 installed using DOM. Should be done in a week or so. They will need a 50% deposit ($450).

Cool, let's plan on pursuing this then.  Scott, just to be super clear, this is for a full cage with roof loop and windshield posts, not just a 6pt roll bar, right?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 15, 2009, 10:57:11 AM
I'll call them today.

Spoke to Rick at Adrenaline. We can drop the car off on the 31st of January. $900 installed using DOM. Should be done in a week or so. They will need a 50% deposit ($450).

That sounds like the better deal.  I've not heard of a 6-point bar (most bars are 2- or 4-points), so I think we should be ok, but still better to ask, I suppose...


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 15, 2009, 11:35:31 AM
Adrian.....would you mind giving him a call (Rick) 525-6738(Local).

Tell him we have the Jetta for Lemons that Scott called about. You definitely know the right questions to ask.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: getfast on January 15, 2009, 07:19:56 PM

Why don't we take it to the NASA circuit cross. It is the 22nd of Feb on the Patriot course. Only $80.

Hey if you guys just want put some track time on this car to make sure it's screwed together correctly and get some butts in the seat before Lemons - gimme a call or email, we can figure something out.  First thing that comes to mind is the entire lunch hour at any number of VIR/Summit events between now and then.

As for Adrenaline - I have not seen any of their cage work in person for sports car stuff specifically, but I did take a good look at a well modified turbo drag Honda they did, and as far as I could tell, the fab work and welding looked fine.  They are certainly on my list to consider for caging my next E36.  That Rick guy seems to know what he's talking about, and will certainly use any pics/info you provide toward your end goal.

Hope it helps,

Jon


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 16, 2009, 06:04:41 AM
Thanks Jon. I'll speak to you Sunday about this. We can use all the help we can get.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 18, 2009, 01:37:20 PM
Adrian.....would you mind giving him a call (Rick) 525-6738(Local).

Tell him we have the Jetta for Lemons that Scott called about. You definitely know the right questions to ask.


I didn't realize I'd been offline for two whole days!  I'll call him tomorrow.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 20, 2009, 08:39:54 PM
Anything good from Rick?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: getfast on January 20, 2009, 08:45:20 PM
On a related note... I stopped by Adrenaline this afternoon with Chris Cobetto (2-time Spec E30 national roadracing champ and NASA-MA regional director.)  We went in the back and checked out two cars they have caged, both drag Hondas.  Then we had a goooooood long talk about NASA/SCCA/etc rollcage design and rules.

Long story short I think your Lemons car will be in good hands.

Jon



Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 20, 2009, 09:35:06 PM
Anything good from Rick?

I'm an ass:  I've been so sucked into work that I haven't had time to call.  But haven't the last two days been International Interplanetary Holidays?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 21, 2009, 07:34:22 AM
No problem man. Just let us know when you find out.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: lugnut on January 21, 2009, 09:19:41 AM
Adrian,

Can you send me you e-mail address.

Thanks
Jeff
jeff.chenery@gmail.com


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 21, 2009, 11:20:13 AM
On a related note... I stopped by Adrenaline this afternoon with Chris Cobetto (2-time Spec E30 national roadracing champ and NASA-MA regional director.)  We went in the back and checked out two cars they have caged, both drag Hondas.  Then we had a goooooood long talk about NASA/SCCA/etc rollcage design and rules.

Long story short I think your Lemons car will be in good hands.

Jon



Thanks Jon. I felt the same way just in my conversations with Rick. He proactively called me a few days ago to touch base. Seems very professional. We just want to make sure all the cage components are to spec in the quote he gave us.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 22, 2009, 09:26:06 AM
I just talked to Rick, and there's a big difference between what he thought we needed and what we do in fact need.  He's accustomed to working on dragsters, which have dramatically different cage requirements.  I'm going to swing by his shop tomorrow with the SCCA GCR's and pictures of my car.

But some questions he answered:

1.  They do not do NASCAR bars (bent into the door area).
2.  No serious price difference between 1 1/2" and 1 5/8" tubing
3.  No gussets
4.  Yes, he meant a 6-point roll-bar--not a cage at all.

Expect the price to rise dramatically when I show him pictures...


Did anyone ever see if there's an AutoPower solution?  We could always have a pre-fabbed cage welded into place.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: getfast on January 22, 2009, 09:38:17 AM
Hey Adrian, Rick isn't the cage builder at Adrenaline.  Dan Driskill is the cage builder.  That's the man you need to speak with (and the guy Cobetto and I spent an hour with the other day talking about NASA/SCCA cage requirements specifically.)  For one thing, Dan has no problem with doing NASCAR door bars as far as I know.

As for Autopower... http://www.ioportracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=AP420

Shipping will be steep on an Autopower, truck freight from Cali.  The nearest dealer around here is OG Racing in noVA.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 22, 2009, 09:52:17 AM
Anybody want to join me for lunch tomorrow at Adrenaline?

Justin, what's the curb weight of the car?  That will tie our hands with regards to tubing dimensions.  I can't imagine it being over 2700 lbs, but it is German.

Thanks Jon!  I asked explicitly about NASCAR bars, and Rick said, "No problem."  Then I asked, just to be super certain, if those bent into the door, and he conferred with someone in the background before saying, "No, we don't do that."

Freight for the Miata's spare diff & subframe from Texas ran me $140 in '07, so an AutoPower cage would run right at $900.  We could consider buying the bolt-in kit, putting it in, and adding some welds just for our own happiness.  Shipping takes 3 - 4 weeks, but we could put the cage together with a day or two.  Just a thought...

I spent some time the other night watching videos from 2008's South competition, and I can't see where these cars are going fast enough to really scare me into believing we need anything super high-tech.  I mean, unless you plan on driving straight into the tire-wall chicane.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 22, 2009, 10:43:47 AM
I just talked to Rick, and there's a big difference between what he thought we needed and what we do in fact need.  He's accustomed to working on dragsters, which have dramatically different cage requirements.  I'm going to swing by his shop tomorrow with the SCCA GCR's and pictures of my car.

But some questions he answered:

1.  They do not do NASCAR bars (bent into the door area).
2.  No serious price difference between 1 1/2" and 1 5/8" tubing
3.  No gussets
4.  Yes, he meant a 6-point roll-bar--not a cage at all.

Expect the price to rise dramatically when I show him pictures...


Did anyone ever see if there's an AutoPower solution?  We could always have a pre-fabbed cage welded into place.

Ugggghhh....what is the minimum we can get away with? I'm sure we don't want to have $1500 tied up in a Lemons cage.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 22, 2009, 10:53:14 AM
I'm tentatively voting for the AutoPower bolt-in kit.  Yeah, we lose the NASCAR bars, and yeah, it's a bolt-in, but we can weld some of the joints if we want, and save some serious coin.

I was wrong on the weight, too (should have checked the Lemons rules first):  we can run 1.5", but that doesn't affect the price of the kit.  It may affect shipping, though.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 22, 2009, 11:13:20 AM
Alright, we got an estimate on the cage from Stock Car Products.  For a 6 point cage made out of 1.75" x .095" HREW tubing with NASCAR door bars we are looking at $310 for the steel and either $420 or $700 for labor depending on whether we want it bolted or welded to the car.  If everyone is fine spending an additional $50, I would rather get it welded.  They said they can get it done in about 4 days and can start on it whenever we pay them.

What are everyone's thoughts?  Given their short turnaround, we could wait until we hear about being accepted.  That would give time to shop around some more if we wanted to as well.

Let me know and I can go pick the car up...or leave it there and have them start on the cage, if that is what everyone wants.

We may want to revisit this^ Am I reading that this would be $730 bolted in with nascar bars?


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 22, 2009, 11:27:00 AM
I also think that Stock Car Products is the way to go.  And yes, it is $730 for the cage bolted in and ~$1,000 for the cage if it is welded in.  Chris at SCP said he can do the NASCAR bars if we skin the door, but that will make the car much harder to get out of since the door opening is so small (compared to the 2dr V8 RWD cars they normally go in).  He also had some other downsides that I don't remember and recommended not doing NASCAR bars since there are more downsides than the single upside of more room.  He also said that they would mount the racing seat for us for free while they were doing the cage if we bought the seat rail kit (~$25).

The car does weigh under 2700lbs, from talking with Bill Thomas it was more like 2400lbs.  I can't do lunch at Adrenaline, I work in the West End so just travelling down there and back would take more than an hour.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 22, 2009, 11:30:54 AM
I'd like to talk to the Stock Car Products folks.  Where are they?

At this point I don't even think it's worth my time to go to Adrenaline tomorrow.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 22, 2009, 11:33:02 AM
They are on Route 10 about 1 mile off of 288.  I talked to Chris down there, the number is (804) 232-3500.  I think they do a lot of the circle track cars around here.  Their website is www.stockcarproducts.com.  When I talked to them we will basically get an Enduro cage (shown on their website) with two rear bars going to the strut towers.  The NASCAR door bars are a $10 option, but again, he recommended not getting them.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 22, 2009, 02:40:52 PM
On a different note:

There is a Henrico County auction Feb 20th. I was thinking of going to get an old cop car, more because I've always wanted one than for lemons. What is the chance i can get one for $500? The list shows 21 being auctioned off this auction. Anyone want to go check it out with me? It is a Friday, so I'll have to ask off work.

http://www.co.henrico.va.us/genserv/purchasing/surplussales.html


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 23, 2009, 07:19:39 AM
It's too bad that's on a Friday, I would like to go.  I dunno that you will be able to get one for $500, but if you can it would be a good Lemons car for the fall :)  If you want to meet there during lunch on the Wednesday preview day, I would be up for that as long as nothing comes up at work.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on January 23, 2009, 07:41:49 AM
Sounds like the Stock Car Products cage is the way to go. Scott, any word on our application?

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 23, 2009, 07:42:32 AM
It's too bad that's on a Friday, I would like to go.  I dunno that you will be able to get one for $500, but if you can it would be a good Lemons car for the fall :)  If you want to meet there during lunch on the Wednesday preview day, I would be up for that as long as nothing comes up at work.

Cool. I'll keep you posted. ;)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 23, 2009, 07:43:21 AM
Sounds like the Stock Car Products cage is the way to go. Scott, any word on our application?

David

Deadline is tomorrow. I anticipate an answer early next week.

BTW- Please email the following information to me ASAP. I need to fill in the blanks on our app.

Send me a head shot photo if possible.

email address

contact phone #

address

DOB

driver's license #

Comp license type and number with expiration date if you have one that is accepted or will you be using a waiver (+$50)

emergency contact number

Send to conemasher at comcast d0t net



Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 26, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
I sure hope this was sent in error. I replied back to get clarification. Notice it is dated December and refers to the Houston event.

Quote
24 December 2008

Dear Team Captain:

Thanks very much for applying to LeMons Gator-O-Rama. We got a lot more applications than the circuit can handle, so we faced some tough choices selecting the grid. I'm sorry to say that your team didn't make it. You have made the WAITLIST, however.

The waitlist is randomized, so I can't predict if or when you'll be offered a spot to move up. At past events, between one-third and two-thirds of waitlisted teams have ended up racing.

If you're ready to take your chances, you need to reply to this email: List your team's name, and say that you want to remain on the waitlist. You'll be free to accept or decline any offer that comes along later, no strings attached.

If you'd rather bail out, send a reply listing your team name and telling me to perform an anatomically unlikely act with the non-mammalian species of your choice. I'll get the message.

Thanks again for the app, and sorry the news isn't quite what you wanted. I do hope we see you at this or another race soon. Best regards--JL

Jay Lamm, Chief Perpetrator
24 HOURS OF LeMONS
5675 Horton Street, Suite C
Emeryville CA 94608
510.655.5980 x23 (Jay direct)
jlamm@driversdoor.com

2008, DriversDoor Inc, as if anyone cared


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 26, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
Well. I just heard back. We didn't get in. We can be on the wait list, or we can try again in the fall. I actually would rather know for sure before plopping down cage money. What do you guys want to do? I'll need to email him back if we want to be on the wait list. :'(


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 26, 2009, 02:11:01 PM
I'd say try again in the fall.  Tony, I'll give you a call about getting the car back to you and figuring out how we want to split parts costs, I've got a stack of receipts at home.  On the upside, the car starts, idles and doesn't appear to be overheating anymore :)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 26, 2009, 02:15:23 PM
Let me know what needs to happen on this. I don't want anyone to lose money. I can put something toward what was installed if need be. I WILL resubmit for the fall race.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on January 26, 2009, 03:52:58 PM
I don't see any reason to stop development on the car.  If we're still planning on doing any race, we'll still need a race car, and if we're still developing a race car, we might as well be on the waiting list.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 26, 2009, 04:08:16 PM
I'll waiting list us, but I do not want to commit to the cage until we are in. If we get in, we drop the car off after that.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 26, 2009, 04:09:15 PM
I'll waiting list us, but I do not want to commit to the cage until we are in. If we get in, we drop the car off after that.

I'm in the same boat.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 26, 2009, 04:13:25 PM
Adrian, I will need the following information so I can re-submit. Rumor has it that incomplete info is one of the reasons teams don't get in. It's my fault for not catching this sooner, but if I correct it now, maybe we can get in off the waiting list.

 
Sounds like the Stock Car Products cage is the way to go. Scott, any word on our application?

David

Deadline is tomorrow. I anticipate an answer early next week.

BTW- Please email the following information to me ASAP. I need to fill in the blanks on our app.

Send me a head shot photo if possible.

email address

contact phone #

address

DOB

driver's license #

Comp license type and number with expiration date if you have one that is accepted or will you be using a waiver (+$50)

emergency contact number

Send to conemasher at comcast d0t net




Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on January 26, 2009, 04:30:03 PM
I'd say try again in the fall.  Tony, I'll give you a call about getting the car back to you and figuring out how we want to split parts costs, I've got a stack of receipts at home.  On the upside, the car starts, idles and doesn't appear to be overheating anymore :)

you can drop it off wednsday or sunday you know ill be here.  as long as the parts under the 500.00 mark i know we can work something out. I'll also start looking for a bolt in cage this summer and having it lying around if ya'll want to try it this fall. I did find one for 276.00 that was a 10 point .. but cant seem to find it now.. so ill keep looking.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on January 26, 2009, 06:04:24 PM
I'll waiting list us, but I do not want to commit to the cage until we are in. If we get in, we drop the car off after that.

I'm in the same boat.

I also vote for waiting list. I don't see the downside since we can always say no if it is too close to the race to get the car prepped. We need to add up the money we owe Justin and each pay our share. It's not fair for Justin to bear any expenses alone. Same for you Scott for any money you have spent.

If we end up in the Fall race, we could be racing against Dave and a team from Honda R&D.

David

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on January 26, 2009, 08:10:56 PM
I'll waiting list us, but I do not want to commit to the cage until we are in. If we get in, we drop the car off after that.

I'm in the same boat.

I also vote for waiting list. I don't see the downside since we can always say no if it is too close to the race to get the car prepped. We need to add up the money we owe Justin and each pay our share. It's not fair for Justin to bear any expenses alone. Same for you Scott for any money you have spent.

If we end up in the Fall race, we could be racing against Dave and a team from Honda R&D.

David

David

I have not spent a cent, only time. I agree we should work with Tony and Justin to make things right.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on January 28, 2009, 06:25:36 PM
Tony, I sent you a PM.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on January 29, 2009, 02:07:05 AM
responded


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: rothaus on February 16, 2009, 06:10:10 PM
Hello All,

I did not follow all the posts, however, I just want to let you know that there is somebody in Powhatan who makes rollcages all types. He made my parts for my 911 roll bar. Check it out at http://rollcagecomponents.com

He is about 5 miles away where I live.

What car did you end up with?

BTW: I will attend the March 1 AX no matter what.

Cheers


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on February 16, 2009, 08:24:03 PM
It will be great to have you back, Englebert.

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Mugami on February 16, 2009, 10:18:08 PM
They choose mine. the 1987 Jetta Which im planning on bringing out on the March 1st event. I believe i have to run FSP now and go Head to Head with that 1988 Jetta. (forgot who the current owner is)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on February 17, 2009, 02:07:48 PM
Alright guys....dilemma time. Since buying the Miata, I really can't make the April race. That said, Jay emailed me today and said we can move up to the accepted list. I just need to let him know the captain's name and that we will attend. Is there interest in trying to make the April race? If so, who is in? I will handle the admin stuff, but someone else will need to take point in organizing and getting the money together. Please post your thoughts ASAP!


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: ahamos on February 17, 2009, 06:53:12 PM
Nope.  I'd like to continue developing the car for September, but prepping for the Trackdaze event has strained my finances.  Not gonna happen for me this time, either.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: jloehlein on February 17, 2009, 07:00:36 PM
I've already talked myself out of it...there is a track day at VIR that weekend I am going to try and go to.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on February 17, 2009, 07:42:40 PM
Cool. I was hoping I didn't leave everyone in a bind. We'll revisit the Fall race in May sometime and guage interest then.

I've already talked myself out of it...there is a track day at VIR that weekend I am going to try and go to.


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on March 10, 2009, 07:36:02 AM
I have been scoping out the competition for September in SC.

http://www.rustyhoodracing.com (http://www.rustyhoodracing.com)

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on April 04, 2009, 09:26:50 AM
They are streaming the race live.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/24-hour-lemons-south (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/24-hour-lemons-south)

David



Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on April 04, 2009, 12:26:21 PM
They are streaming the race live.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/24-hour-lemons-south (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/24-hour-lemons-south)

David



Good stuff. Watching a bit now. Seems less dramatic then the hand picked You Tube stuff.

BTW - I'm will not be able to do the fall race. I am more than willing to help with whomever wants to apply for it. New expenses and Catherine going back to nursing school makes it too much for me to handle. Maybe when she gets out. :)


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: wahoo5 on April 04, 2009, 02:05:01 PM
Sorry to hear you can't do it. You were our ringleader!

Catherine doing better?

David


Title: Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 2009
Post by: Conemasher on April 05, 2009, 10:09:05 AM
She is getting there. Still hurting a bit. Hopefully she'll be back in form soon.